Actual Final Four topic: When is cheating not really cheating?

Syracuse head coach Jim Boeheim answers questions at a news conference for the NCAA Final Four college basketball tournament Thursday, March 31, 2016, in Houston. (AP Photo/David J. Phillip)

“Cheat? Us? C’mon now.” (AP Photo/David J. Phillip)

Houston — It was inevitable that a Final Four matchup of Syracuse and North Carolina — “On probation vs. under investigation,” was how Pat Forde of Yahoo! Sports put it — would careen into hair-splitting. That happened here Thursday.

This was Jim Boeheim, who coaches Syracuse, which is indeed on NCAA probation: “I’ve coached 40 years. (This probation is) something that I regret. I’m not happy about it. I don’t think we gained any competitive advantage at any time in this whole case that we’ve been through for 10 years. I think it weighed on us for 10 years and affected recruiting for 10 years. That’s just part of the punishment.”

Then: “But when they say ‘cheating,’ that’s not true. Rules being broken is a lot different. Cheating to me is intentionally doing something, like you wanted to get this recruit, you arranged a job for him, or you went to see him when you shouldn’t. You called him when you shouldn’t to gain an edge in recruiting, to get a really good player. That’s cheating. I think if something happens that you’re not aware of it (and) doesn’t really affect the recruit, I don’t look at it the same way. It’s a violation. I think when rules are violated, there should be a punishment.”

This from the coach who missed nine games this season due to sanctions stemming from cheating/violations/whatever. Shortly thereafter, NCAA president Mark Emmert was asked if he concurred with Boeheim’s distinction between what’s cheating and what isn’t.

Emmert: “Well, look, the committee on infractions (looked) at the facts in that case. It was a voluminous set of data. It took far too long for all the information to be collected and gathered. I think everybody agreed with that. When the data were put in front of a committee on infractions — this is a body of members of the association that aren’t paid employees of the NCAA. They’re conference commissioners. They’re athletic directors. There’s a former Attorney General of the United States. A former university president. It’s a cross-section of the membership.

“When those folks looked at the facts, they reached the conclusion that, indeed, violations of our rules and bylaws had occurred and imposed sanctions that were consistent with their view and that behavior. I’ll let coach Boeheim define that how he wants to. But the committee determined these are clear violations of the rules and that, therefore, it warranted some pretty significant sanctions, and they were imposed.”

Er … was that a yes or a no? Did Syracuse, in the eyes of the NCAA, cheat?

Emmert: “I have enormous confidence in the committee on infractions. I think that process works remarkably well. It’s the closest thing you’re going to see to ‘a jury of your peers’ model for as broad an association as this one that includes a wide collection of institutions and members. I have complete confidence in what that body did in this case.”

So: Still not quite a yes, but definitely not a no. So maybe Syracuse did, you know, cheat. And yet: Here it is, in the same season that saw the Hall of Famer Boeheim miss those nine games, in which Syracuse went 4-5 and thereby thrust itself on the NCAA tournament bubble, and still it was rewarded with a bid despite an RPI of 72, the lowest ever for an at-large selection.

Emmert was asked: Is the NCAA concerned that having one program on probation face another that’s being investigated for giving college credit to what mightn’t have been actual college classes sends a discordant message?

“It’s always a concern of ours that the rules that the members have put in place strike that right balance between being deterrence from behavior that nobody wants to see, to also being too punitive and impacting students, for example, that didn’t have anything to do with it. I would disagree with those observations that people have. The fact of the matter is that Syracuse, as I have said several times now, went through an exhaustive process. It went through a hearing on infractions. It dealt with the sanctions that were put in place. This current group of student-athletes had nothing to do with those sanctions, and they happen to be a very good basketball team.

“I think to conclude from that that there was no impact on the university is simply wrong. I think they disagreed at that time, and I think they would disagree today that there were no penalties that were inflicted on them. Then, of course, the UNC case, as I just said earlier, we haven’t even gotten to a place where there have been allegations delivered to the institution. So we can’t make any comment (or) observation about them one way or the other.”

In case you were wondering why Emmert’s annual Final Four press briefing is considered a must-see among us reporters, there you have it. He talks a lot and says very little, but man is it fun to watch him squirm.

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9 comments
PaulinNH
PaulinNH

Wrist slaps for cheating marquee basketball programs with HoF coaches (Boeheim and Calhoun) and turning a blind eye to the original allegations at another (UNC) the first go around - the NCAA doesn't seem to have changed much since Tarkanian legendarily made the comment "the NCAA got so mad at cheating at Kentucky that they slapped another 2 years on Cleveland State".

Peachs
Peachs

When a NCAA investigator, shows up on a ACC campus ;many times it is the first time, some of these people, have actually been on a real college campus. 


 The political campaigns talk about college debt, when so many of the kids, non athletes, have received the same kind of education, which does not have value, in the real world, and they can't get a job, but are saddled with the debt..


 The University of North Carolina carries weight, that they can't afford to compromise.  Syracuse less so, but still an academic university than puts people in high paying jobs ,with the trust they can handle them.


What vision does the NCAA have of these places; that are less than the vision these universities have for themselves. And you have to go by a hundred pickup trucks to tickets these Cadillacs 

wreckbone
wreckbone

I agree.  While I am an ACC fan with UNC alums in my family, the fact that they probably will not get any actions taken against them is wrong.  Sort of like Gurley KNOWING he was not supposed to sell articles for monetary gain for two years and still did it.  then UGA gets to do a self imposed ban of that player for four games and that is that.  While other programs at times had to vacate ALL games during the times of infractions.  The NCAA infractions committee is a joke.  And I also have ties to UGA, so its not like I am bashing UGA because I hate them.  It is a travesty what the NCAA has become. I  think these schools getting off essentially scott free is wrong.  Penn State only getting a year of no gridiron; again, no teeth.  It seems after SMU got the death penalty  so did the NCAA committee.  Everything since then it has been half measures and ridiculously unjust rulings.  The committee  used the law firm to check allegations at Miami owned by the booster that they were investigating....TWICE!  What an incompetent bunch!  If the NCAA was a corporation that had to make a profit, it would have gone under long ago.  Because who wants to do business with such incompetence and unlevel playing fields?  The fact taht they state the limitations are too long ago for the UNC debacle.  Its like they make up the rules as they go along.  And if you are a program that brings in a lot of money, well you get the benign set of rules.

TOJacket
TOJacket

UGA's Jack (cheater) Bauerle just won another NC..........Hmmmmmmm?

TOJacket
TOJacket

Bradley..........the answer to your question is, "When you get caught"

middlegrounder
middlegrounder

How the hell has the NCAA not bulldozed UNC's athletic program after clear and documented FAKE CLASSES AND GRADES FOR ATHLETES, going back over 20 damn years?