If LSU fires Miles, would that mean anything to UGA?

Hmmm. What to do about a big winner who hasn’t won big enough? (AP Photo/Rogelio V. Solis)

Rumors are swirling, as David Ching of ESPN notes, that Les Miles could be out at LSU.  We stipulate that LSU is not Georgia, but the schools share a conference and take football seriously. And here we make the comparison.

Les Miles: 110-32 in 11 seasons at LSU (.775 winning percentage), 60-27 in conference play (.690), two SEC titles, three SEC West titles, two BCS title game appearances, one national championship. He has had seven seasons of 10-plus wins.

Mark Richt: 144-51 in 15 seasons at Georgia (.738 winning percentage), 83-37 in conference play (.692), two SEC titles, five SEC East titles, no BCS title game appearances, no national championships. He has had nine seasons of 10-plus wins.

LSU is 7-3 this season, 4-3 in SEC play. Georgia is 8-3, 5-3 in SEC play. LSU’s best win is over Florida, which was without its No. 1 quarterback. Its three losses were by an aggregate 52 points. Georgia’s best win is over Auburn, which is 6-5 and will finish last in the SEC West. Its three losses were by an aggregate 59 points.

I’ve told you what I think needs to happen at Georgia. (What happened against Georgia Southern only underscored what I already believed.) And I’m not saying that the Bulldogs should do something just because some other school does. What I am saying is this:

LSU played for the BCS championship in January 2012, and in November 2015 its coach is in trouble despite having had two 10-win seasons since. There’s a very good chance Georgia could go 10-3 for a second consecutive year, and for the second consecutive year it would be an unsatisfying 10-3. And apparently there are some places where 10 wins — if they’re not the right 10 wins — aren’t enough.

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JeffreyEav
JeffreyEav

Keep Richt. Get rid of Shott and Pruitt. Get Kirby Smart designate him coach in waiting. Let him pick the OC. Win NC. Richt retires. Is that too much to ask?

davidg32
davidg32

It would mean that LSU might be a competitor in recruiting Kirby Smart to be the new head coach. 

HootyGoot
HootyGoot

I think CMR and Shott both had all their eggs in the same basket. The Chubb basket! They got caught with their pants down when Chubb got hurt and the rest of the offense couldn't step up. I can't see getting rid of Richt after all of his winning seasons but I can see getting rid of Shott. I don't think he can do the job needed in the SEC.

Aikendawg
Aikendawg

Here's the solution: First move the millionaire coaches, Miles, Richt, and Fisher. Move Miles to Miami and then Fisher to LSU. Richt will go to FSU. Then promote wannabe millionaires, Smart to South Carolina and Pruitt to Georgia. The only problem is that Eason will then go to FSU so that he will be with Papa Mark and Georgia will be stuck with Lambert and Fauta for another year. This gives all of the UGA power brokers ring around the collar; therefore thwarting the plan and sending Pruitt to FSU as Sir Richt maintains his hold on Georgia football for eternity or ever and ever - amen.

TrueFan1
TrueFan1

Yes, we are stuck with CMR for another year.....I wonder if this new OB will pan out next year

Big Wally
Big Wally

@TrueFan1 If he can throw the ball without hitting one of our offensive linemen in the back of the head, he will be an improvement over what we have now.

FlatTire
FlatTire

@TrueFan1 not going to do much until this coaching staff realizes they need to put an emphasis on line of scrimmage recruiting

Big Wally
Big Wally

So it appears now we have another idiot Big 10 fan on Ga. blogs thinking they know everything about UGA football.  These folks just don't seem to know where they belong.

BigBillBounceback
BigBillBounceback

UGA is just a middle of the road University. It's not like they can pick and choose who their coach will be. If Saben left Alabama, and their top 10 coaching choices turned them down, they still would not take Richt. That's all you need to know.


BulldawgNation
BulldawgNation

@BigBillBounceback  I think we all agree Bama would never consider CMR. That's exactly the point. The culture in Athens these days is one of celebrating mediocrity. 9 wins and the Outback Bowl has become the standard. What's wrong with a "middle of the road" university wanting to become better? The talent and resources are out there. Championships are attainable in Athens. I'm just not sure how important they are to our staff and fan base.

Louie007
Louie007

That is a dumb comparison!

bamadog
bamadog

I think most Georgia fans do not care one way or the other----------i mean the stadium was packed for the last game--what does that tell ya------that UGA is used to getting beat by Florida every year and are used to the realtiy that UGA might never win a national championship again.  For UGA its all about showing young men how to live and pray-----------for Saban its about making UGA look like a high school team when they play each other.  And then after they mop up-----------they go to the big game.  So at this point I am clueless about what UGA is or is not--i have thought about it so much that----------??????  its a mystery.  Richt cannot finish the drill----he shows up but he cannot win the right games to save his life---that is reality.  Does it matter in the big picture of life-------only the top brass at UGA can make that decision.  Not me. 



ms1964
ms1964

People really need to get a grip.  Including this "journalist". 


First, it's college football.  Young men going to school getting a supposed education. Most of the complainers on this blog didn't go to college, let alone go to UGA.  Give it a rest.


Second, sometimes (maybe more often than not) kids don't play up to expectations.  Players play.  Coaches coach. It's that simple.


Third, as a Michigan fan, I remember some leaner than expected seasons even when Bo was coach. The running joke was that Bo didn't eat cereal because he always lost the bowl. Then we ran off Lloyd Carr because he "wasn't winning enough" and we ended up with RR and Brady Hoke.  Careful what you wish for UGA fans.  Your school isn't exactly a magnet for the next homerun coach out there.  It's a nice position, but it's not the "I gotta have that job" kind of institution.


Finally, you guys are one Dooley (Derek...that other guy) away from being the next 3-9 disgruntled fan base.  Ask Tennessee how happy they are to have run Phil Fulmer off. 

ms1964
ms1964

@DawgNole @ms1964 

You clearly have not followed Michigan. We went from routine 9-10 win seasons (#2 in the country the year before they ran off Lloyd Carr) to 3-9 overnight after we decided that that 9-10 wins wasn't good enough and Rich Rodriquez was the answer. Did we get a homerun hire?  Sure. Eventually, and only because the 49'ers are dumb assess.  But there isn't anybody out there begging for the UGA job.  It's just not that attractive.  

UGA fans need to understand who they are and be content to be in the hunt every year.....even if it rarely works out the way they want it to.

Remember, only one team wins it each year and nobody remembers the runner ups.  

ATLiens
ATLiens

@ms1964 @DawgNole They're NEVER in the hunt that's the issue, if UGA was realistically in the hunt then no one will have a problem

ms1964
ms1964

@ATLiens @ms1964 @DawgNole They had a clear path to the east title this year.  Didn't work out, but they were in the hunt when season started. UGA fans are waaaayyyy too overzealous about what the realistic expectations for this team and school are.


When Richt is gone and you're 5-7, come back and tell me how bad it is.  I hear Ray Goff is available. 

FlatTire
FlatTire

@ms1964  please explain how the UGA job isn't attractive but Michigan is

ms1964
ms1964

@FlatTire @ms1964 Wow.  Homer post if ever there was one.  Winningest program in college football history?  Maybe that has something to do with it.  Just guessing.  

FlatTire
FlatTire

@ms1964  thats it? Is Michigan a top 5 recruiting state?  Is Michigan a state everyone is moving too like Georgia now? No its hilarious Michigan now has to run ads to get business and people to come there;  Things have changed this is not 60 years ago. 


And as far a homer posts UGA is 3rd in all time bowl wins 3rd in SEC championships 3rd in all time wins among teams in the SEC


Im willing to guess LSU is a better job in your mind 

ms1964
ms1964

@FlatTire @ms1964 Nope.  LSU fans are irrational too. 


And when did this become a business blog? 

And I take it Georgia's 3rd in most categories.  Nice. 

FlatTire
FlatTire

@ms1964  business blog Lol I figured you miss it.  


and Michigan wins; wow; oh but I bet you didn't realize Michigan played 13 seasons before UGA started playing

ms1964
ms1964

@FlatTire @BulldawgNation somehow you guys have gotten way off the beaten path.  This isn't about whether Michigan or UGA recruits better, has more people moving there, etc,.  Read the article and get back on topic. 

BulldawgNation
BulldawgNation

@ms1964 @FlatTire @BulldawgNation  Read my comment at the top. You call us a mediocre program. It's tough to argue with that at the present time. What's wrong with wanting to be better? Especially with the resources out there. I'd rather go 5-7 for 4 or 5 years with the hope of something the great than 9-4 or 10-3 every year. Which we have with our current situation.

FlatTire
FlatTire

@Big Wally  I find hilarious from a lot of these posters that because your job title is head football coach of blah blah blah school that should mean you have a lifetime contract 

ms1964
ms1964

@BulldawgNation @ms1964 @FlatTire 

Ok. I'll try one more time. 

I did not call UGA mediocre. 

I'm neither a fan or a detractor.  UGA is who UGA is; a fine program with an established coach that is normally a top 10-15 team.  

Having said that, they are not the a landing spot for a successful/established coach.  All you need to know is where the program was and who they had to choose from 15 years ago when Richt was hired.  Nothing has changed. 


The point is that IF UGA fires Richt, who is out there that is better......and would realistically come to UGA?  Insert name here_______________.


Michigan was once a great program and is now just another fine, well established program with a currently hot coaching hire.


Unless Nick Saban says he's always wanted to live in Athens, I'd stick with what I have.


You're more than welcome to try that 5-7 for 4 or 5 years if you wish.  And I'll look forward reading your complaints in the future.

FlatTire
FlatTire

@ms1964  you evidently don't know much about UGA football if think UGA is a 5-7 program without Richt;  do some research

FlatTire
FlatTire

@ms1964  yawn; exactly;  once again you were asleep when I said the administration at UGA is the problem example hiring Ray Goff;


please don't tell me a top rated coach would turn the UGA job down;  A school that unlike Michigan doesn't compete for players in state with Michigan ST.


Unlike Michigan; the state of Georgia put the 2nd most players in the NFL last year; it is a top 2,3,4 recruiting state


there are plenty of coaches who would love to be in a state with those resources


please read some of the many articles on why UGA is a top tier school; example A


http://thebiglead.com/2015/10/13/college-football-job-rankings-2015/


please do yourself a favor call in to any national radio program and say UGA couldn't get a top tier coach and you will be laughed off the air

ms1964
ms1964

@FlatTire @ms1964 still waiting for that list of names.......no hurry.  Put some thought to it. 

FlatTire
FlatTire

@ms1964  here's some names since you continue to have no response Tom Herman Kirby Smart Gary Patterson Chris Peterson


hahaha those guys wouldn't consider it blah blah blah


Keep the laughs coming though

FlatTire
FlatTire

@ms1964  I don't need to put thought to anything your claim is UGA will be a 5-7 program without Richt; your claim was UGA is not a place where a top tier coach would come


its laughable 


I bet when Saban went to LSU from Michigan St or Meyer to FL or Mack Brown from UNC to Texas or Bob Stoops from coordinator at Florida to Oklahoma or Les Miles from Ok St to LSU  or one of my favorites


Jim Tressel from Youngstown St to Ohio St a program that hadn't done anything in 35 years


 "Oh yeah.  The fan base was bubbling with excitement."


What you continue failing to realize is these coaches went to programs with……key word here """RESOURCES"""  and won big


Keep the laughs coming 

DawgNole
DawgNole

@ms1964 

Why ask only Tennessee?

How about asking the many other teams that revived their football programs by making long-overdue changes at the HC position?

And your Wolverines are one of them.

FlatTire
FlatTire

@ms1964  the topic is the decision makers at UGA settling for mediocrity; the same decision makers who when they could have hire Spurrier when he was at Duke decided it would be a great idea to hire UGA's running backs coach Ray Goff instead


Its not top coaches don't want to come to UGA; its the administration that has no clue on running a major program

FlatTire
FlatTire

@ms1964 yea I hear that sound; its the sound of I can't come up with a good response

ms1964
ms1964

@FlatTire @ms1964 I thought we were talking about heavy hitters.


Paterson isn't coming to Athens on a lateral move.  Chris Peterson isn't an upgrade over what you have.  Tom Herman is going to get better offers than UGA.  Kirby Smart?  Maybe....But I don't see a coordinator as a solid improvement over MR. 

Hairy Dawg
Hairy Dawg

This just entirely expected from a fan that Big 10 that cant compete with SEC. Dawgs in the SEC and got strong recruiting state. With that Dawgs should own East every year and getting to GA De for title shot. Michigan not even best team in own state and dont have goldmine a talent like Dawgs. That why that Harbaugh trying hold camps down here cause Michigan not have talent to win from that state not like GA.

But I disagree with them on here that trying put blaming all on Coach Richt. Coach Richt is having recruiting choked by rules for school that Bammer not put on Saban or LUSer on Miles or any other team almost in SEC. Saban sign player and try him out for season or two then cuts loose them that dont expose talents by play up to SEC level. Bammer can medicals them or kick off team or give diploma. It dont matter so long as scholly freed to bring in new recruit for tryout and replace them that casted out for being stinkys.

And that what Coach Richt and Dawgs not able to do. He not allowed to get rid a players not exposing talents. It means we get 1 less recruiting class over 4 years than Bammer. And then when we have injures like Chubb or Gurley we dont have depth we should and season takes hit instead a winning even with lost players. Fixing that got to be done and it starts with Dawgs putting pointy heads like Morehead in place to show we should set rules in Athens not rest a them.

Aikendawg
Aikendawg

@ms1964  Who would want to freeze their tails off in Michigan? Get real! This Ohio St. and Michigan phenomenon is short-lived. Urban's health will fail and Harbo will realize that the NFL is more prestigious. Then, out the door they go. Ride this wave of zeal while you can because it won't last. Then you will return to the same ole Michigan that used to seem to be great. Meanwhile Georgia will still be fighting to win the SEC and a chance at the national championship, regardless of who is coach Maybe y'all can bring it on down to Florida this bowl season and get a sample of UGA football. Also, if y'all are so great quit recruiting our football players. No they don't need new cars to drive home to see mamma. They can stay in Athens so mamma can drive up to see them - like it's suppose to be.

DawgNole
DawgNole

@ms1964 @DawgNole 

Did I say the UGA job is "that attractive." NOPE.

Did I say more than one team wins it each year? NOPE.

Did I say anybody remembers the runners up? NOPE.

So stop bringing up irrelevancies.

Has Michigan revived its program with the Harbaugh hire? YEP. Clearly. 

Beat it, loser!