Would Braves deal Simmons? Sure

Three of these guys are already gone. (AP photo/David Tulis)

(Update: Just after 6:30 p.m. Thursday, the Braves indeed traded Andrelton Simmons to the Angels. For more prospects.)

Jonah Keri of what used to be Grantland tweeted last night that the Atlanta Braves were discussing a trade with a National League West team. Jon Heyman of CBS Sports subsequently reported that the NL West team in question is San Diego.

This should surprise no one who has followed the Braves over the past 12 months. Under John Hart and especially John Coppolella, they’re open to trading anybody. That’s not to say they’re determined to rid themselves of Simmons. They value him hugely. Talks regarding the great defender would be a seller’s market. The Braves wouldn’t move him unless they receive a blow-us-away offer. Which they might.

More intriguing is the word that the Padres are again involved. You’d have thought that San Diego’s A.J. Preller would have learned his lesson after making not one but two massive trades with Hart/Coppolella last offseason, neither of which worked to the Padres’ advantage. The first involved Justin Upton; the second involved Craig Kimbrel and the other Upton.

John Coppolella at work. (AJC file photo)

John Coppolella at work. (AJC file photo)

The Braves wound up with Jace Peterson, Cameron Maybin, Matt Wisler, Max Fried, Dustin Peterson, Mallex Smith and the draft pick that would become Austin Riley, already considered the best young bat in the Braves’ chain. With those two trades, the Braves restocked their farm system and found big-league two starters (J. Peterson and Maybin) to boot. The Padres wound up with a bloated payroll and a team that went 74-88, and now J. Upton is a free agent.

If you’re the Padres, do you really want to trade with the Braves again? (Read Rany Jazayerli’s Grantland story “The Teardown Artist” for a searing take on how Preller’s deals gutted his team.) The primary beneficiary of such largesse was the Braves. Those trades were so lopsided that Hart/Coppolella might have poisoned the well.

Making trades in baseball is a tricky thing. You want to get back more than you give, sure, but you don’t want to embarrass the other guy because you might need him again. Already Hart/Coppolella have fleeced Preller and Arizona’s Dave Stewart, who was lampooned for dealing the prospect Touki Toussaint for the utility infielder Phil Gosselin and cash. The Braves don’t need to keep winning every trade 80-20. In the interest of future business, they’d settle for winning a few 55-45.

As for Simmons: I don’t know that this trade will happen with anybody, least of all the Padres. But I do know this: We shouldn’t be shocked if it does. The Braves like Simmons, but they like Ozzie Albies, too.

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elliottb1
elliottb1

Im done with the Braves organization,, Its that simple.

elliottb1
elliottb1

Im officially done with the Braves, I will not purchase any tickets .  They can say all the fancy things about improving the team but its ridiculous. Thank Hart and whoever else for losing a lifelong fan

ga4boats
ga4boats

Hey Mr. Coppolella, believe it or not, some kids like to buy a Braves jersey with their favorite player's name and number!  Please let us know when we can get a discount on Freddie's stuff.

richbrave
richbrave

@ga4boats Check. Expect the next BRAVES expat to be FF for a front-line catcher now that A.J.'s in the house

richbrave
richbrave

SIMMONS...........a glimmering memory in the rear-view. 


Only BRAVES infielder I've ever seen better than FELIX MILLAN, in this organization the gold-standard up the middle  Comps with the Wizard of OZ in my estimation.


Who cares if he hits .250? Not me. Damm, and double damm!!!!!


OZZIE ALBIES better be able to walk on water.


Is KIMBRAL coming back in this deal? I hope so. 

DrTruth
DrTruth

We should start a pool....The date this off-season when these idiots announce Freeman has been traded for yet another bag of magic beans.  Just how many bags of magic beans do these guys need to field an MLB team anyway?

So much for next year. And when they leave town next year, they go without me. I guess I'll go to the last game next year just to say good-bye. 

DrTruth
DrTruth

Simmons wins Def Player of the Year, now he's going to the Angels.  That didn't take long.  Thank you once again John Hart & Coppy, you clueless bastardos....

CTATTER
CTATTER

Simmons is way overpaid for what he's worth but so is that Cuban guy they got from the Dodgers.  Trade them both.

marc2013
marc2013

It is hard to understand how a MLB team rebuilds by trading or giving away its young talent. I am still puzzled by Heyward (26), Gattis, Peraza (21). The arms we moved for little return would have solidified the pen... Gilmartin (25),Shreve (24). Liberty Media runs us like we are a small market team! The Braves did not need to get this bad to be good! It stinks!!!


VeryDisgusted
VeryDisgusted

As long as Liberty and the Hart/Coppella management team is around you the Braves fan does not matter

This way of posting a comment sucks -- the other way was simpler -- can they at AJC quit changing things







ChuckinAlpharetta
ChuckinAlpharetta

I grew up in Grant Park, a stone's throw from AFCS, and I grew up with the Braves - going to games, watching them as a routine part of every summer for pushing three decades now.

I watched about five games this season and attended none. I had so little interest in the team it astonished me. I realized I had to constantly re-learn the roster as I was greeted by a barrage of players I didn't even know were on the team until they stepped up to the plate. I am one of those generational fans that teams are supposed to covet. I can't imagine the disinterest in fans that cared about the team less than myself.

The magnitude of the damage that has been done by this ownership group during this "season" cannot be overstated.

VeryDisgusted
VeryDisgusted

@ChuckinAlpharetta  They have no concept of PR and they do not care.

You do not matter -- with the stock thing going on this is the end of the Braves as we once knew them -- I would just assume they move if this is what they are going to pull

SouthernHope5
SouthernHope5

Liberty Media has already proven that they can make tons of money by cutting the payroll....they truly don't need fan happiness.  So, sure, trade em! 

MichBravesFan
MichBravesFan

This would be absurd. Simba is a fan favorite and potentially the best defensive shortstop in a generation if not of all time. You can sell tickets just to watch him play defense! Plus, he makes pitchers better with his defense. You can only remove so many faces of a franchise before people don't care anymore and don't feel any connection to the team---look at Oakland, they don't have an identity because they trade everyone once they amount to anything. If braves trade Simba there will be plenty of fans including myself who totally tune out next year and the years to come. Kimbrel was one thing, but now Simmons too?? If so, go ahead and trade Freeman too. There won't be any reason to tune in. Braves front office is trying too hard to correct for the mistakes they've made by bringing in 10 no-3 pitching prospects and no hitters. 

HarMul
HarMul

I love Simmons and know that we can't replace him on the field with anybody. But his batting average is never going to go above .250. He will always be a #7 or #8 hitter.

What if San Diego gives us Kimbrel and Austin Hedges? We fix bullpen and catcher positions. If we can dump a salary in the process (Bourn / Swisher) and SD add a sweetener in the end, it is possible. 


I am not in favor of the trade. I don't want to lose Simba since he means a lot to this team but currently this team doesn't look like it can do much on the FA market.

tscott625
tscott625

Somewhat off-topic, but what do you all think about trading for Carlos Gonzalez?

Could be considered injury prone, but would be worth the money/prospects IMO 

CheesesteakBob
CheesesteakBob

They also like Daniel Castro and his plate presence. May not be as good defensively as Simmons, but can do until Albies is ready.

VeryDisgusted
VeryDisgusted

@CheesesteakBob  Daniel Castro????  Come on -- he is a utility guy though the dummies at the top of the Braves organization might but him in Cooperstown. 

I have no respect for Hart, Coppy or Liberty Cheapedia

booyahbrave
booyahbrave

26 yrs old, signed thru 2020...unless they get a king's ransom.  Of course you do it then, but I think this is an article I could write about any good player on any team. DUH

miked91
miked91

A.Simmons is a bit overated to me.He not a consistant hitter but great defensively.I say trade him for the highest bidder.

Hammerman
Hammerman

You can lose 95 games with Simmons,no reason you can't lose 95 without him.

DawgDadII
DawgDadII

I don't totally disagree with your points, Mark, but in the big picture the Braves have yet to prove they have fleeced anybody. The MLB players they received helped turn the team into an epic (repeat, EPIC) train wreck. The prospects are still prospects, if not suspects. As a paying fan, I couldn't care less who wins awards from Baseball America, I care about production at the MLB level.

wavrumj
wavrumj

BETTER NOT!!!  How does a team expect fan support when treading effective (very) and popular players year-after-year. This year was a disaster. The future cannot be not gauranteed. 

SkokieDog
SkokieDog

Do the Padres own the rights to Len Barker?

VeryDisgusted
VeryDisgusted

@Kwajbraves  Spot on -- I am beginning to hate this team and wish they would go away if this is what they have in mind

Scroach
Scroach

Why don't we throw in Freeman?   Maybe we

can obtain some more minor league pitchers?

DrPhill
DrPhill

Please, please don't trade me to St. Louis or Kansas City.

DawgWhistle
DawgWhistle

For me, and I expect others, the obvious response is, Who the hell cares?

joedavis
joedavis

I'm not a fan of Simmons' bat.  But no other shortstop even compares.  His defense is irreplaceable.

ElStinko
ElStinko

They should trade him.  There are about 3  other SS in the NL that are just as good of fielders as he is and they hit with a higher average.  The SF ss.  The Miami SS are 2 to mention.

Clarence Worley
Clarence Worley

The San Diego Union Tribune cites "discussions this time around may well have started with the Padres' top remaining youngsters: catcher Austin Hedges and outfielder Hunter Renfroe." Also the article speculates that under the right conditions, the Braves might also seek a reunion with Kimbrel. Plus this clears a path for Ozzie Albies and may allow us to dump some salary. I  like the sound of this!