Tech or UGA: Which is the bigger dud?

Georgia Tech head coach Paul Johnson speaks with Georgia Tech running back Clinton Lynch (49) during the first half of an NCAA college football game against Tulane, Saturday, Sept. 12, 2015, in Atlanta. (AP Photo/Mike Stewart)

Both were picked to win their divisions. Both were ranked in the preseason Associated Press poll: Georgia was No. 9, Georgia Tech No. 16. On Sept. 19, the Jackets were favored at Notre Dame even though the Irish were higher-ranked. On Oct. 3, Georgia was favored against Alabama, which hadn’t been an underdog since the 2009 SEC championship game. But look now.

Georgia is 5-3 and out of contention for the SEC East title, having twice lost as a favorite. Tech is 3-6 and out of contention for the ACC Coastal title, having lost — whoa, Nellie — five times while favored. Neither is ranked. Both teams have had major injuries. One team (not Georgia) has scored a famous victory. Neither, however, has had the season it was supposed to add. And so we ask: Which has been the bigger dud?

Tougher schedule: Georgia has played two of the teams ranked in College Football Playoff committee’s top 10. Trouble is, not one of the Bulldogs’ five victories has come against an opponent worth a fig. The combined conference record of Vanderbilt, South Carolina and Missouri — the three SEC opponents Georgia has beaten — is 3-12. (Vandy beat Mizzou, which beat South Carolina, which beat Vandy.)

Tech’s schedule looked tough but has been much more arduous than that. The Jackets have played three teams ranked by the CFP, two in the top five. They’ve also played the three teams heading the Coastal — North Carolina, Pittsburgh and Duke — the combined ACC record of which is 11-2. And Duke’s “loss” to Miami bears a big fat asterisk. No question here. Georgia has had much the easier road.

Best win: No doubt here, either. Tech over Florida State, though it was fluky. Tech has one good win. Georgia has no good wins.

Worst loss: Lots of doubt here, simply because there have been so many. Georgia lost by 28 points to Alabama after trailing by 35. It lost to Tennessee after leading by 21. It lost to Florida 27-3.

Tech blew a 21-point lead against North Carolina and was routed at Notre Dame and Clemson. (Though the Jackets did make those games look closer than they were with cosmetic surges. Tech trailed Notre Dame 30-7 after 59 minutes but closed within 30-22; Tech trailed Clemson 40-10 but lost 43-24.) But the biggest blotch on either ledger came on Halloween, and it wasn’t — believe it or not — Georgia looking wretched in Jacksonville. That same day, Tech lost at Virginia. ‘Nuff said.

Lousier coaching: Two-way tie for last here. Though Georgia does have better players. Still, Tech lost to Virginia.

Bigger constituent disgruntlement: Tech fans don’t like what has happened, but Tech beat Georgia and won a major bowl last season. That goes a ways toward masking the pain. Georgia hasn’t won a major bowl since New Year’s night 2008. Georgia’s fans are beyond disgruntled, and they have cause. They take this lumpy cake.

Worse offense: Here’s my favorite bar-bet question — not that I bet or, for that matter, frequent bars — of the millennium. What two Georgia-based FBS schools have the best offenses? The answers are Georgia Southern (No. 36 nationally in yardage) and Georgia State (No. 45).

Georgia ranks 67th. (Dawg Nation turns its lonely eyes to you, Mike Bobo.) Tech ranks 68th. (Remind Paul Johnson of that the next time he rips his defense. Which is 49th nationally, FYI.) Both are terrible on offense. Tech’s offense is one spot worse with a quarterback who was mentioned in preseason as a Heisman candidate. Disadvantage, Tech.

Worst choice: Faton Bauta, starting quarterback.

Adding it up, which is the bigger dud? I say Tech. There’s a difference between having a disappointing season and a losing one, which the Jackets will unless they beat Virginia Tech, Miami and Georgia. And there’s never a reason to lose to Virginia.

So why aren’t you calling for Johnson and Tech to part? Because he won a major bowl last season. Georgia last won a major bowl since … oops, said that already. And these aren’t apples-to-apples jobs. Georgia has more talent and more resources than Tech. Georgia is one of the five best coaching jobs in the country; Tech is one of the five best coaching jobs in the state.

Final question: Who wins Nov. 28? Georgia, by the score of 3-2.

Further reading: I’m sorry, but Georgia and Richt need to part.

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EvanT
EvanT

Paul Johnson has a hapless, innocent bystander approach that makes Richt seem like Patton by comparison.

As Blutarsky would say in Animal House "Oooh, I'm sorry Bluto, I have no idea why the defense/ offense/ kicking game/ cheerleaders din't show up ready to play"!

Hire Richt-----Tech fans will give him the semi-retirement he deserves, except he'll be saddled with Ted Roof.

TideDawg
TideDawg

I wonder how the AJC is going to change the blogs next week.

OH:IO
OH:IO

the blogs are now a dud


AJC extorts free speech for profit. 

TOJacket
TOJacket

Kentucky looked like a "dud"

ShootinTheHooch
ShootinTheHooch

Gators win the east. Big Deal! Our coach loves his players too much to have them deal with the pressure of playing for a championship. If pressure is what the Gators want, then good for them. UGA's players want to know their coach loves them and will continue to coddle them when they lose to teams of inferior talent and are blown out by teams of equal talent. We'll still get to take our SEC check to the bank that we receive from the teams whose coaches don't love their players.

Vespidae
Vespidae

I enjoyed this blog post.

In complete transparency, I'm from Alabama but attended Tech. I'm a fan of both.

First, about Tech. Tech is an excellent school with a great sports tradition. But ... Bobby Dodd is long gone and we're not in the SEC (I wish we were.) Our expectations are less, but there's no reason Tech is not a consistent 8-3 team. PJ is great for us because he has brought consistency and excitement. But ... Unless we have a top five program, we'll never be able to keep a top coach. And we don't have the alumni that will drive what it takes to be top five. Simple.

About Georgia. You can't compare UGA and Bama. Bama football is rooted in the state like no other. It may SEEM that they can compare, but they can't. Bama, the demand to win, year in and year out, is impressive. Bama expects to win the NC every year. Or God help the coach who doesn't. The alums and public will drive him out.

I don't see the same intensity at UGA. I'm not saying they're bad, but I don't think UGA starts every year expecting, no demanding ... That they win a NC.

The talent is there. I just don't see the fire.

I like Richt and he's brought enormous stability to UGA. But .... If Saban coached UGA and you had the same expectations from fans, UGA should be in the Top ten every year.

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Rocker2112
Rocker2112

I am huge Tech fan and always have been.  Paul Johnson is too much about offense. Tech needs to recruit some defensive players ! 

I remember a few years back when Tech Beat North Carolina  and the ending score ( not sure exactly what the score was ... ) Looked like a Basketball game score.  Paul Johnson's offense usually can score points in bunches but other than the FSU game this year, the defense gives up way too many points.!!  Everyone has been so down on Justin Thomas' season but it is difficult to do anything against good defensive teams ( Notre Dame, Clemson etc... ) because the offense line at Tech has fallen apart. That makes the Tech this year on the Normal last desperate drives to win games come up short.  

ShootinTheHooch
ShootinTheHooch

Just think, if Clemson wins a NC, Georgia will be surrounded by schools in border states that have won a NC in the last 17 years and that heavily recruit Georgia. It could be argued that none of them would have won without Georgia players. Here's the clincher: all of us that support the flagship institution in Georgia will continue to be left to fawn over Richt's pious platitudes and that he is of a religion that is popular in the buckle of the Bible belt.

BMOC
BMOC

I has nothing to do with Richt's religion moron. Maybe because he has a better win percentage than any other coach inl UGA history. Did your ever think of that?? UGA is down on talent especially in QB & WR. It's Richt's fault ultimately, yeah we all know. But he's not a bad coach. Could we find someone better? Maybe. When the next cycle of talent arrives in Athens can Richt win the big one? Sure he has good chance. But attacking Richt because he's a Christian is just another lame attempt by your leftist view to smear Christians.

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

@BMOC

If you take away CMR's extra win every year against FCS teams like Southern University or Louisiana Lafayette or New Mexico State or Troy or etc. etc. CMR winning percentage is more in line with Dooley and Donnan.

ShootinTheHooch
ShootinTheHooch

@Buschleaguer @BMOC I didn't smear anyone's religion. Richt is the one that puts his religion out there as if it should matter. He knows how to play on the passions of the Richtites in ways that have nothing to do with football. Do you realize, moron, that UGA's annual schedule of three cupcakes, Vandy, KY, SC, Mizzou, TN, and Tech would equal a .700 winning percentage which would be just a starting point for a HC that could effectively manage the recruiting, talent, and resources that are available to "10 wins are enough" Richt? UGA is not the school of old accept in the minds of McGarity, Richt, and the Richtites.

ShootinTheHooch
ShootinTheHooch

Richtites, ask yourself, what has made Bama great? Was Bama great under the Curry's, Price's and Shula's? An unequivical, NO! What has made Bama great? Bryant, Stallings, and Saban! All are championship quality HCs. The one area that separates Georgia from the elite programs. I live in Alabama and I can tell you the players who played for those three coaches have had success outside of football, they love their coach, AND they won championships.
Pay Richt his money and tell him to hit the road jack and don't you come back no more OR erect a statue for being the coach who won a Belk Bowl championship. It matters not! Let's find a coach who can awaken the sleeping giant and reap the rewards of having a football program that is smack dab in the middle of the Land of Football Milk and Honey!

wwk424
wwk424

Stallings won a NC with Curry's players. Rather have a class guy coaching my team.

TideDawg
TideDawg

Georgia is not going to win a Championship by recruiting a coach. I thought Pruitt was going to be good....he's not. I thought Schottenheimer was going to be good....he's not. Richt doesn't individually coach the talent from offense, defense, special teams, etc. He is supposed to coach the assistants. If he's at fault that's where he has failed. Ga. has the talent and the assistants are not coaching them up to their potential.

Falcons73
Falcons73

Awe...the old blame it on the assistants again. How many times is Richt going to be given the opportunity to hire coordinators without him being responsible.

15 years, 4 defensive coordinators, 3 offensive coordinators, and still the same head coach.

LuxLucisofVerum
LuxLucisofVerum

So very tired of old, negative journalists trying to hold on to their jobs by flooding the sports sections with negative trash to make the football fans froth at the mouth so they can increase ratings and subscriptions. Who should go? The entire AJC sports writing staff, that's who.

ShootinTheHooch
ShootinTheHooch

@TideDawg @LuxLucisofVerum Keep posting. I love your humor! You can't seriously believe it is journalists that make "...football fans froth at the mouth..." If so, you are a true Richtite. A HC that has achieved only three major bowls in 15 years, one with Donnan's players, and one that was a consolation prize when the SEC champ was playing for a NC and three of the worst defeats in Georgia history within a four week span may have a little to do with it.

TideDawg
TideDawg

@ShootinTheHooch @TideDawg @LuxLucisofVerum  Not entirely Hooch guy. Where do fans get their information about their favorite teams.....Sports writers.  If you think sports writers don't get the masses pumped up then who do you think does? Majority of fans are not closely in touch with teams and players. It's the writers who provide all of the hype and expectations on recruiting classes, new coaches, and disappointments. Maybe you're closely in touch with your favorite team and their abilities and don't read what sports writers publish. My guess is that you read all of the hype but you're just one out of the masses that isn't taken in by all of it. ??????????

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

Only took about a week for a press release stating that CMR"s buyout is $4.1 million. Not exactly $800K but not as bad as almost $18M for 4 more years. But it looks like Coach Richt will return if he can sweep the Fantastic Four left on the Dogs Schedule.

GTBee
GTBee

Johnson should stay because last year he beat UGA and won the Orange Bowl?  The last 6 years, including this year, he is averaging about 7 wins out of 13.  (This year maybe 4 out of 12?)  That screams 'keep him'?

GTBob
GTBob

@GTBee Im going to ask you the same question that I always ask that no one ever answers. What would be an acceptable performance at GT? What are you expecting? 9-10 win seasons every year? ACC championship every year? What is the baseline for you?

TideDawg
TideDawg

@GTBee  Keep him! He's cheap! Besides, in 3  or 4 more seasons he will have another good run. Along the way he will upset some ranked team.

TideDawg
TideDawg

@GTBob @GTBee  As other teams get better in the ACC the baseline for Tech will be 3-4 cupcake wins a year to a great year of 7-8 wins as long as he's using that unstoppable offense.

TideDawg
TideDawg

@CLTJacket @GTBob @GTBee  Any young coach that GT would hire would only stay until he could build a reputation. Keep PJ, nobody wants him in Div. I

CLTJacket
CLTJacket

@GTBob @GTBee GTBob,

I am 100% with you on this argument.  Expecting 9-10 wins out of GT every year is unrealistic at best.  Simply looking at the winning % of GT's history shows that Johnson is a winner here and we should be fortunate that he seems happy here.  I am not trying to be pessimistic but realistic about our scenario. Even if Tech could pull off a great up and coming young coach that could take us to the next level, we can can be quite certain that a larger school would pick him up.  


This season is just a bump in the road.  We have had a lot going against us but we will rebound next year.

ToeMeetsLeather
ToeMeetsLeather

@TideDawg That is exactly what CLT said, and we will keep CPJ. Good coach, graduating players in the middle of SECheat land. We'll be back next year, I'm certain of that.

FlatTire
FlatTire

Pay up format is really working.  LOL


Hardly any posts today; what a surprise


Have fun AJC watching the number of posts dwindle from triple digit  into single digit territory 

Race Burly
Race Burly

I have a feeling that UGA is going to rip Tech apart.

ShootinTheHooch
ShootinTheHooch

The Richtites almost have a point when they ask, "Who can we find that's better than Richt?" A descent GA would be a better game day coach. The better question is, "Who can we expect McGarity to find that's better than Richt?" He is zero for his career at UGA in finding championship quality coaches for his hires in other sports. When the toilet is flushed at Butts-Mehre he should be the first down the drain.

aarh
aarh

I wouldn't say starting Bauta was the worst decision, but starting him & not using him in a way where he could best utilize his skill set. Also, trying to catch FL by surprise w/ the move, & then it getting out which gave them time to prepare specifically for him. His numbers weren't great, but he didn't have any help. Numerous dropped balls, & I think about 3 of his Ints or so were tipped passes. Lambert would have more than 2 Ints if the defenders that he threw the ball right to haven't dropped so many balls.

Undelusional
Undelusional

Thank you Mark for finally calling for Richt to go. Only you and the other AJC sports writers can excert the pressure to get him fired. Richt does not have the class or integrity of Spurrier to resign and Mediocrity McGarity does not have the guts or backing to fire him. Unless you and the. AJC keep up the pressure the Dawg Nation will continue to suffer.

ToeMeetsLeather
ToeMeetsLeather

It is the end of the world at TECH.


I am still holding on to hope that the NCAA goes the same direction in football that they have in round-ball, and TECH can bring in a slime ball like Callipari as head coach and recruit 85 one-and -done NFL prospects to play for six months on the Flats, and get us back to football prominence.

Bogan
Bogan

Best 5 coaching jobs?  Better than Bama, LSU, FSU, Fl, Notre Dame, Michigan, Clemson, Texas, SC, Oregon...?  That's a very subjective opinion.

ShootinTheHooch
ShootinTheHooch

@Bogan Perhaps he should have said, "should be" one of the best five in the country. On the positive side, UGA should have the most advantageous recruiting situation in the country. Flagship institution, top four recruiting state, virtually no in-state competition. On the negative side, working for Greg McGarity, McGoofy.

SeriousBlack
SeriousBlack

Tech plays in a basketball conference and is not going to make a bowl this year. No debate. Tech Duds This State!!

25Wreck
25Wreck

@SeriousBlack UGa plays in a football conference and in one of the 5th most fertile recruiting states but have not won a NC since 1980. What is the EXCUSE NOW?


chickman
chickman

Great article...The score for Nov 28th could have been the headline! Way to go, MB

GMAB
GMAB

CPJ would win NCs at UGA.

GMAB
GMAB

Richt will miss swimming with the guys.

justabitoutside
justabitoutside

Yeah Stinger, I'd even throw in A&M (huge money, massive fan base, Texas talent pool) , Oklahoma (great tradition and deep pockets), and Nebraska (same thing). The other thing that defines a top 5 program is the ability to recruit on a national level. Not just a couple of guys on the roster, but larger numbers of high-level players from around the country.

DoubleSubject
DoubleSubject

If the Falcons were thrown into the mix, I'd vote for them as the biggest dud among the three.  But the best coach is at Tech. Give PJ Georgia's talent and he would have one loss - to Alabama. 

FlatTire
FlatTire

So we have to pay now to blog?


Well hope you enjoy the lack of posts you see on Dawgnation now ajc


Probably with less posts

dawg fan
dawg fan

@FlatTire  I feel like I'm on the internet in 1998 with this new format. 

FlatTire
FlatTire

@dawg fan   I guess we will have to move over to Dawgnation to post.  8.99 a month is too expensive

StingerSplash
StingerSplash

Georgia is one of the five best coaching jobs in the country? Let's see ... Alabama, LSU and Florida are better in the ACC alone. Florida State is better. Southern Cal? Yeah, I'd put that there. Notre Dame? Like, duh. Ohio State? Michigan? Penn State? Shoot, even Texas. They have resources and recruiting base. Sure, so does Georgia, but all those are national brands. Can you really say Georgia is? Georgia's own home state recruiting base is fertile ground for intruders such as Auburn, Clemson, FSU, Florida, even Alabama and Tennessee. 


Georgia lost one key, very, very key, player to injury. Tech has lost two starting slotbacks, another slotback had to get moved back because of a season-ending injury to the backup QB and it lost its top two B-backs before the season even started. Now it's best defensive player, by far, who missed the lion's share of the UNC game and almost the entire UVa game, is done for the season. Now, if you want to take potshots at PJ for not having the depth behind those guys, that's one thing. But those kinds of losses would be hard for a lot of people to overcome.


I'd say Georgia is the bigger dud. They were supposed to be the big dog in what was thought to be a weaker SEC East, though Florida has been surprisingly much stronger than anticipated. Tech's losses have been to one-loss UNC, a Duke team whose only defeat before the Miami debacle was to a Northwestern team that has handed Stanford its only loss, and a Pitt team that lost to unbeaten Iowa on a last-second field goal.And as was mentioned, to two teams in the top five of the initial CFP ratings.

DawgNole
DawgNole

@StingerSplash: "Let's see ... Alabama, LSU and Florida are better in the ACC alone . . .  I'd say Georgia is the bigger dud."

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If you think Bama, LSU, and fla are in the ACC, I'd say YOU are the bigger dud.

Duh indeed.