Braves fans can take heart from this October

Even the Braves' elders are awed by John Coppolella's latest move. (Hyosub Shin/AJC photo)

Even the Braves’ elders are awed by John Coppolella’s latest move. (Hyosub Shin/AJC photo)

New Atlanta Braves general manager John Coppolella, center, speaks as Atlanta Braves President John Schuerholz, left, and Braves president of baseball operations John Hart look on during a news conference at Turner Field on Thursday, Oct. 1, 2015 in Atlanta. The Atlanta Braves have promoted John Coppolella to general manager following three seasons as assistant GM. The move was announced on Thursday by Braves president of baseball operations John Hart. The team said in a statement Coppolella has agreed to a four-year contract through the 2019 season, a term that will include the Braves' first three seasons at their new SunTrust Park. (Hyosub Shin/Atlanta Journal-Constitution via AP) MARIETTA DAILY OUT; GWINNETT DAILY POST OUT; LOCAL TELEVISION OUT; WXIA-TV OUT; WGCL-TV OUT; MANDATORY CREDIT

The three Johns: Schuerholz, Coppolella and Hart. (Hyosub Shin/AJC photo)

Of baseball’s 10 postseason qualifiers, seven were bad not long ago; six had been bad for a while. The Rangers lost 95 games in 2014. The Astros lost 416 games over the four seasons preceding this one. Before 2015, the Cubs last finished above .500 in 2009; the Mets last did in 2008.

Before last season, the Royals hadn’t made the playoffs since 1985, when John Schuerholz was their general manager. Before 2013, the Pirates hadn’t made it since 1992, when Cabrera swung and Bream slid. The Blue Jays went from 1993, the year of Joe Carter’s homer, to this October without a postseason appearance. Which brings us to the Braves, who are bad now but, if these playoffs are any guide, mightn’t be for much longer. Here’s why:

This October shows (not that anyone doubted) the worth of young pitching. Matt Harvey, who’s 26, started Game 1 of the World Series for the Mets. Jacob deGrom, 27, beat Clayton Kershaw and Zack Greinke in the Division Series. Noah Syndergaard, 23, has 20 strikeouts in 13 playoff innings. Steven Matz, 24, is scheduled to start Game 4. (And don’t forget Zack Wheeler, who’s 25 and recovering from Tommy John surgery.)

If you’re saying, “Except for Shelby Miller and maybe Julio Teheran, the Braves don’t have anyone on the order of Harvey or deGrom,” you’re right – so far. But we in Atlanta haven’t seen the arms the Braves consider their most promising. They believe there’s No. 1 starter potential in Max Fried, who was acquired from San Diego in the Justin Upton deal and who missed the season due to TJ; in Touki Toussaint, plucked from Arizona essentially for cash, and in Kolby Allard, their No. 1 pick in June. Fried is 21. Toussaint is 19. Allard is 18.

This October shows that great risks can reap sweet returns. In December 2010, the Royals shippped Greinke, the 2009 American League Cy Young winner, to Milwaukee for center fielder Lorenzo Cain and shortstop Alcides Escobar; the latter two were MVPs of the 2014 and 2015 ALCS, respectively. Two years later, Kansas City sent outfielder Wil Myers, rated the No. 3 prospect in baseball, to Tampa Bay for James Shields and Wade Davis. Shields was the No. 1 starter on the team that broke the Royals’ 29-year playoff drought. (He signed with San Diego last winter.) Davis has become the best reliever in the majors.

Eight days after the Shields/Davis/Myers deal, the Mets traded R.A. Dickey, the National League’s reigning Cy Young winner, to Toronto for a package including Syndergaard and Travis d’Arnaud. They’ll be the starting battery in Game 3. If the Braves of John Hart and John Coppolella have shown us anything, it’s that they’re not afraid to dare. Did they not swap three major-leaguers and Jose Peraza for Hector Olivera?

This October shows that being bad can be a good thing. With contracts for free agents soaring above $100 million, the draft has become the cheapest way to win. The Astros took shortstop Carlos Correa No. 1 overall in 2012 and outfielder George Springer No. 11 in 2011. The Cubs took third baseman Kris Bryant No. 2 overall in 2013 and the slugging Kyle Schwarber No. 4 last year. The Royals tapped Eric Hosmer, Alex Gordon and Mike Moustakas among the top three picks of their drafts.

If Coppolella, named the Braves’ general manager last month, has a mantra, it’s to make no trade that costs a draft pick. His method is to acquire, acquire, acquire. The best example is Austin Riley, the 18-year-old third baseman the Braves took in the June draft with a pick gained for Kimbrel. Riley hit .305 with 12 homers and 40 RBIs in 60 minor-league games. He’s a ways away, but he’s the best young bat in the organization.

This October shows that being smart is a precursor to getting good. The Cubs’ fortunes changed when Theo Epstein, an architect of Red Sox championship teams, was named president of baseball operations in 2011. The Mets became a different club when Sandy Alderson, who’d built great teams in Oakland before Billy Beane invented Moneyball, took over in 2010. Jeff Luhnow, the head of scouting in St. Louis, left in 2011 to preside over the Astros’ rebuilding. It took Dayton Moore, once Schuerholz’s No. 2 man here, eight seasons to lift the Royals to the playoffs, but they’ve now graced consecutive World Series.’

I don’t know if Coppolella and Hart will lift the Braves to the 2017 playoffs or the 2020 World Series. Baseball fixer-uppers carry no warranty. I do believe they’re very smart men who are working very hard. I trust them to do right by this franchise.

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RafeHollister
RafeHollister

What this postseason has shown is that no matter how good your pitching is, you need a lineup of hitters that can consistently put the ball in play with authority.  It hasn't been so much homeruns (excluding Daniel Murphy) but balls in the gaps.  These last two teams have a lineup of guys hitting above .275 and few batting in Braves average territory of .220-.230.   Kelly Johnson was a big part of the Braves "offense", but his ability to hit for power doesn't get him into the Mets lineup, because of his .205 average.


The Royals got great pitching last night, but overall they have a better lineup 1-9 of  more consistent hitters than the Mets.  So, when the pitching is mediocre, the Royals aren't necessarily out of the game.  Can't say the same for the Mets, they need their young arms to come through consistently.

SaveAmericaFromItself
SaveAmericaFromItself

@RafeHollister 

At one point in last night's game the Mets pitchers has 2-strike counts on 34 Royals' hitters, but could only strike out ONE of them ! And not a single "super star" or big name free agent on the Royals' roster.

DrTruth
DrTruth

Why can't Braves fans take Hart from this October...and next October.....and the next....etc?

maxman2660
maxman2660

i remember when the braves were rebuilding in the 70's,rebuilding in the 80's sometimes these things don't go as planned

Rhetoric
Rhetoric

The Braves have been rebuilding since 1995. Too bad they did not promote Ned Yost

as the manager instead of Fredi Gonzalez. Hart has never been part of a World

Championship team.  Thus far, the moves he has orchestrated leave much to be

desired.

SaveAmericaFromItself
SaveAmericaFromItself

@Rhetoric 

"Hart has never been part of a World Championship team."

Neither had John Schuerholz until 1985 when his Royals won it all. Neither had Bobby Cox until 1995.

SaveAmericaFromItself
SaveAmericaFromItself

@DrTruth @SaveAmericaFromItself 

Frank Wren, let it go ! You are in Boston now. The media there won't be as kind as they were to you in Atlanta, where fans can still cling to their 14 consecutive division "championships", the pinnacle of sports success.

DrTruth
DrTruth

@SaveAmericaFromItself  Hart's working on a World Series team....So far he's built a 95 loss team.  Nowhere to go but up!  Hahahaha

Ersatz
Ersatz

While whatever barves fans that are left in the universe enjoy seeing a division rival in the World Series, they can take heart that the 27-story Applebee's in barvesworld is still cranking out piping out taters skins, babyback ribs, Buffalo wings, and mozzarella sticks, and sliding ice cold brewskis down the bar, all paid in full by cobb taxpayers, so barves front office hogs and cobb political fat cats can unwind after long workdays of embezzling cobb taxpayer dollars.  There's no better time for a barves fan to be a spectator than October, and in lieu of watching another barves shutout loss, they can watch their hard-earned cobb taxpayer dollars being slid under the table in suitcases between billionaires as they light $500 cigars with $100 bills from cobb tax coffers.

CoronaGT
CoronaGT

@Ersatz Posting the same idiotic comment over and over again is a clear indication of mental illness.  Do us all a favor and get some help.

DrPhill
DrPhill

It is true that the post-season teams have made wise draft picks that have paid off this October. However all of those teams have picked up proven free agents and paid high dollar for them. Liberty Media is unwilling to pay the price for experience players, (and leadership) and I have seen nothing from the Braves' front office or field management that indicates the slightest quotient of baseball intelligence other than the con job of millions of dollars from Cobb County tax payers. It is more likely that Fredi and the 2020 Braves will find themselves in the lower reaches of the East Division.

SaveAmericaFromItself
SaveAmericaFromItself

@DrPhill 

What big name free agents did the small market Royals sign? Can any of their players be classified as super stars?

It appears they had a long-term plan, stuck with it, and  scouted and drafted well. minus a big payroll to work with.

Jetiredo
Jetiredo

The Braves are far away. Very far away from making the playoffs. That Alex Wood deal is the kind of deal that will cripple the Braves for the next 4 seasons. Oliveira isn't the answer an oft injured 31/year old rookie isn't worth the kind of money he will steal from this team. This team still doesn't have any offensive players in the minors to look at as an immediate upgrade and this team can't score runs.

PalmBeachFalcon
PalmBeachFalcon

@Jetiredo I don't think losing Alex Wood will cripple any team for 4 years.  We're not talking Kershaw here.

SaveAmericaFromItself
SaveAmericaFromItself

@Jetiredo 

Neither Alex Wood or Jose Peraza will be in a Dodger uniform by the time Sun Trust Park opens in 2017. Mark it down. Olivera is making $6-7 million a season for the Braves. That's a lot of money to you and me, but less than the lazy Chris Johnson was making. If he does not make it, thats less money than the Braves have flushed down the toilet in recent years on big name players.

SaveAmericaFromItself
SaveAmericaFromItself

@PalmBeachFalcon @Jetiredo 

You'd think Wood was Kershaw, Gattis was the reincarnation of Babe Ruth, and Peraza is the next Brett Butler judging by some of the comments on here. They overrate Braves' talent the way Frank Wren overrated prospects.

DawgDadII
DawgDadII

You don't get ahead in life because your competitors are more successful than you, you get ahead on the basis of YOUR accomplishments, based on YOUR plans, hard work, and intelligent choices. Not many of the opposing players mentioned in this article will play for the Braves in 2016 or 2017. Those GMs are not the Braves GMs. All this article proves is that some teams moved ahead while the Braves devolved. For every KC and NYM, how many UNSUCCESSFUL rebuilding efforts are out there? Just hope the Braves don't repeat the "success" of the Pirates last couple of decades.


The goal of an MLB team should be to compete every season. Now and then things won't work out, but the players and fans are best served when the team makes an honest effort to compete. Fans should not reward intentional tanking, and by and large they did not. I really should congratulate he Braves Management for providing me as a Braves fan with the worst excuse for a competitive team I have witnessed in 50+ years of following MLB; that is quite an accomplishment, and one I will not forgive or forget. I can only imagine how some of the players must have felt.

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

@DawgDadII

How soon you forget ,a Braves fan of 50 years should know that the 2015 Braves are no match for the worst Braves team ever. The 1971 thru 1979 Braves were the worst team in the NL for almost a decade and the 1984 thru 1989 Braves may have been some of the worst teams in MLB history.Not to excuse the 2015 Braves front office for pulling the plug on the season after the All star break, but this is not the worst  Braves team in the last 50 years. And give the front office and the players they acquired a couple of years ,before we can judge whether the three Johns are totally inept.

SaveAmericaFromItself
SaveAmericaFromItself

@Buschleaguer @DawgDadII 

The 2015 Braves were horrific, but unlike the teams of the 70s & 80s, this team has a restocked farm system with players that will compete or be used as trade bait at some point. Its certainly in a better position than the day Frank Wren was escorted from the train wreck of a barren farm system.

THEBITTERTRUTH
THEBITTERTRUTH

I was a believer until the Uribe and Johnson trade to the Mets. This is when the Johns got just a little too cute - and showed they are not very good businessmen. With Uribe and Johnson you had an average club that showed flashes of excitement. The club would have had a respectable gate and a team that was not a joke - not only in 2015 but possibly 2016 as well. In short - they were worth watching. The cost of the two players was relatively minor - and provided the youngsters with some guidance. So to obtain 2 obscure minor league players the Johns trashed the 2015 (and possibly 2016) season for the fans. Even if one of the 2 minor leaguers do make the majors - was it worth the cost to the fans and the team? Finally, the Met's manager Terry Collins has said repeatedly that the turning point for the Mets season was when they got Uribe and Johnson. It was the turning point for the Braves too. So no, I do not think we are in good hands with the Johns.

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer


@THEBITTERTRUTH 

I think the arrival of Cespedis was the "Real" turning point for the Mets. I think John Gant may have a chance to make the roster next year,not sure about Whalen. And not sure if the Braves kept Uribe and KJ the second half collapse could have been avoided. Freeman's injury and the total collapse of the offense and bullpen (diminished by the trade with the Dodgers) ruined the Braves promising first half. I had a much bigger problem with the trade with the Dodgers ,giving up younger talent Wood and Peraza along with the bullpen veterans for a 31 year old rookie coming off injuries ,was a bigger gamble for the Braves front office.

DrTruth
DrTruth

@THEBITTERTRUTH That trade reeked of some ulterior motive.  Like Hart was trying to pay off a debt to someone in the biz incurred years earlier.  It made no sense as a legit move by a "genius" GM to make the Braves a better team.  Even Fredi voiced his displeasure with it, and he's usually the automatic yes man.


Maybe Hart got drunk and lost Uribe & Kelly J in a late night poker game?  How else can you explain Hart actually PAYING the Mets to take away the Brave's best clubhouse leaders and #2 & #3 bats?

GeorgeJetsen
GeorgeJetsen

Bobby Cox managed several talented 90's Braves teams to an 11-18 record in WS games. Best regular season manager of all time perhaps but no doubt one of the worst game managers in the postseason ever. Any other town north or west of here would have sent him packing after the 99' WS sweep which capped 8 WS game losses in a row- all to the Yankees. Instead, this town lauds him as the greatest and wastes 7 more years of potentially great teams.

Jpace
Jpace

Somehow the upside down logic of being encouraged because other crappy teams have turned things around in 2 - 4 years doesn't make me feel encouraged about the Braves. With the 3 Johns in charge, I simply don't believe it...notwithstanding JS's Hall of Fame credentials. My sense is that JS has retired on the job and there is evidence to that effect. My view of these gentlemen is that they are simply marketing people trying to appeal to the masses with a really stale product.

BTC
BTC

It's just a dog's breakfast.

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

who says Fredo will be managing the Braves in 2017 or beyond. The Astros ,Cubs ,and Rangers make their 2015 playoff runs with managers in their first full year with those clubs. And the Dodgers and the so called best team in 2015 the Nationals will have new managers in 2016. Face the facts Braves fans we are in for a couple of more years of re-building and waiting for the youngsters in the minors to mature. Until then Fredo can manage the team, I doubt any big name manager would be willing to go through the rebuilding process. 

SaveAmericaFromItself
SaveAmericaFromItself

@Buschleaguer 

Maddon took the Cubs job because they were bulging with young talent. No proven manager would take the Braves in their current state. Once Fredi is gone, it'll be another Schuerholz-Cox loyalist like Terry Pendleton or Eddie Perez.

DrTruth
DrTruth

*  Dismantle professional baseball team in 2015 and replace with minor league team for the pleasure of those who bought season tickets --- CHECK!


*  Extend contract of worst Sept/Oct manager in MLB history --- CHECK!


*  Hike prime season ticket prices for new stadium as much as 300% for 2017 season --- CHECK!


*  Convince local sports media types that those responsible for making a record number of signings, releases, trades and other roster changes in 2015 are geniuses who can do no wrong --- CHECK!


*  At season's end, hand out high-fives and promotions to front office personnel responsible for piloting the Braves to the 3rd worst record in MLB in only their first year --- CHECK!


*  Turn 95-game losing franchise into 95-game winning franchise ---


You see, until there is a CHECK! on that final item, all of this hope & change babbling is exactly that.  We've certainly seen the change, now all that's left is hope.  And all of this wishful thinking and daydreaming at the city sports desk doesn't affect a team's W-L record.  Only the on-field product and coaching staff can do that.....And that's what remains to be seen.

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

@DrTruth 

So you were satisfied with the Professionalism of the 2014 Braves ,Melvin.CJ, JUp and JHey either under performed for the Braves or wanted too much money to be re-signed. Other than Heywards second half with the 100 win Cardinals none of the other Braves high priced cast-offs made any of their new teams playoff contenders. You could probably say the trio of ex-Braves JUp ,Melvin and kimbrel made the Padres worse than they were in 2014, I think Bud Black would agree with me. There are not any guarantees that the moves made by the Braves front office will all be successful ,but I remember the Braves of the late 80's and how they grew up and became perennial contenders in the 1990's and into the mid 2000's. 

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

@DrTruth @Buschleaguer

Other than one division championship ,,what did the 2010-2014 Braves accomplish .the 2nd largest collapse in history of MLB. Losing a Wildcard play in game ,and exiting in the first round of the playoffs.And collapsing again down the stretch in 2014 when the "Professionals" on the offense could not win a game unless the pitchers threw a shutout .Never saw a team of Professional hitters that were shut out so many times down the stretch in 2014.And concerning Fredo ,who else would want to manage the Braves? 

GeorgeJetsen
GeorgeJetsen

Fredi is a Bobby Cox clone with one exception- Bobby at least waited until October to become completely inept.

FineousMcDirtyBird
FineousMcDirtyBird

@DrTruth @Buschleaguer  What I like about this narrative is the memory loss. Yes (and God am I tired of hearing it) the Braves had the best record of any team in baseball over a five-season stretch. What people forget is how empty that record was and how utterly flawed those teams were. NONE of them had the talent to win a championship. Feel free to blind me with stats and records but no one, having watched those teams play, could possibly or reasonably delude themselves into thinking they were watching a legitimate contender. That's why Wren was fired. For creating paper tigers and draining the farm.

SaveAmericaFromItself
SaveAmericaFromItself

@FineousMcDirtyBird @DrTruth @Buschleaguer 

They were the benefactors of a typically weak NL East, getting trounced in the post-season if they happened to somehow back in. The Upton, Gattis, Heyward teams were not playoff caliber, nor were the Braves relevant from 2000 - 2014 even though they supposedly won the most games, for what it is worth. As meaningless as 14 consecutive division "championships". Only in Atlanta.

DrTruth
DrTruth

@SaveAmericaFromItself  Thanks to your hero John Hart, you now have the pleasure of watching a 95 loss team.  So all of that post-season and championships talk is irrelevant now......ENJOY!!


Of course in your alternate universe, having the 3rd worse record in the majors means they're now a relevant team.....Ha ha ha ha.  Never gets old when you spread your ignorance!  


Please, post some more of it....

SaveAmericaFromItself
SaveAmericaFromItself

@DrTruth @Buschleaguer 

"A capable manager would have won several playoff rounds in those 5 seasons with that talent."

What was Bobby Cox's post-season record after the 1996 WS ? Better yet, after the 1999 WS ?

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

@SaveAmericaFromItself @FineousMcDirtyBird @DrTruth

Here is a question I would like each of you to answer: Which MLB franchise has had more success between 1997 and 2015, The Atlanta Braves or the Miami Marlins? If you say the Braves ,I think you may be wrong. No matter how many wins your team has during the regular season, what matters most is winning the last MLB game of the post season.And on top of this the Marlins beat the Yankees in the Word Series ,something that the Best Braves team (1996) could not do.

DrTruth
DrTruth

@Buschleaguer The Braves won more games from 2010-2014 than any other NL team.  That's a fact.  And I suppose I prefer a competitive team like that to being the 3rd worst team in the majors.  A capable manager would have won several playoff rounds in those 5 seasons with that talent.  The fact that these clowns extended Fredi for next season with an option for 2017 means they aren't serious about winning anything in the near future.


And you know your team is right in the middle of shitesville when it's not enough to hope about the future.....But you have to reminisce about the glorious teams of the past.

DrTruth
DrTruth

@Buschleaguer  As I said in my original post above, "Extend contract of worst Sept/Oct manager in MLB history --- CHECK!"


What did the Braves players accomplish from 2010-2014?  They proved they had the on-field talent to win more games than any other NL team for 5 consecutive seasons despite having Fredi manage them into the ditch every Sept/Oct.  Fredi Gonzalez managed TWO historic Sept collapses in only 4 seasons....And this year he got a contract EXTENSION!  Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.


Have you ever seen a football team that wasn't ready for a big game?  Of course you have.  Who do you blame, the players or the head coach?  Most of the time the coach himself accepts the blame for not having the team ready to play.  As for the WC game with the Cards, one team was ready to play and one wasn't.  Fredi was managing the team that wasn't ready to play.


In 2013, Fredi wouldn't put the best reliever in baseball that year in the 8th inning of an elimination game even though he was ready....Game, series, match.  Another Fredi post-season managing failure.


Great managers don't lose their teams in the fall....They get the best out of their players in the playoffs.  Obviously talented teams make it to the playoffs.  And usually the team with the weakest manager is the team that leaves the playoffs first.  Those are Fredi's bullet points on his resume.....Over and over again:


Team collapsed, failed to make playoffs....Left playoffs first....Left playoffs first.....Team collapsed, failed to make playoffs.  And that's the guy who got the contract extension from this organization.


I'd love to see Bochy manage the Braves because he's PROVEN himself in the post-season.  But quality managers cost money and Liberty Media will never pay up for one.  The only thing Fredi has proven is he's NOT the guy to take the Braves to the WS.  But he will be here as long as Booby Cox is still around.


DrTruth
DrTruth

@FineousMcDirtyBird Actually, you're wrong.  What people forget is those Braves were in playoff contention all 5 of those seasons.  And since you forget that fact, you conclude "how empty that record was and how utterly flawed those teams were" because it fits your Wren Sucked! narrative.  And if you KNEW you weren't watching a legitimate contender, wouldn't you be smart enough to avoid "having watched those teams play" in the first place?  Obviously you were one of the delusional you describe or you were to stupid to save your ticket money and turn off the TV knowing the end game from the beginning.  Can't be both.


And "how empty that record was"??? What does that even mean anyway?  A team wins 95 games in the reg season, but disappoints you in the fall so they had an "empty record"?  SMH


Firing Wren solved all the problems, right?  No....Because the one single IDIOT who was responsible for wrecking the team every season in the fall from 2011-14 was given a contract extension by this group of circle jerks running the show.


So you're now rid of Frank Wren and you have a 95 loss team managed by a complete idiot to put into your new stadium.....ENJOY!!


I look forward to your posts calling for John Hart to be fired....

DrTruth
DrTruth

@SaveAmericaFromItself  OK, try to stay with me here.  You posted, "nor were the Braves relevant from 2000 - 2014 even though they supposedly won the most games".


So when I say you're in an alternate universe where teams that win the most games are not relevant, that means you consider a team with the 3rd worst record to be relevant.


Get it?  Probably not.....but I tried anyway.  


Of course another way to look at it is you, as one of John Hart's head cheerleaders on here, seem to be offended at my post.....So your reply was:


"Where did I say the 2015 Braves under John Hart were relevant?"


Thank you.  You said it so much better than I ever could.  Congratulations!!

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

@DrTruth @Buschleaguer 

I guess you are not old enough to remember what shitesville was really like in Atlanta during the mid 1970's and the late 1980's.And here is another point to consider.So if the Braves kept Heyward ,J Upton ,Gattis ,Melvin and Kimbrel and won 85 to 90 games this year(unlikely but possible). The Braves ownership would not pay to keep Heyward or Justin Upton so they walk after 2015 and the Braves would only receive a draft pick as compensation ,so the 2016 Braves would be in the same place they are now ,but without the players acquired in the trades. And you would still have to deal with Melvin and hope that Gattis would stay healthy enough as a position player to play 140 games. So yes winning a few more games in 2015 would have been great, but the realities of having Liberty Media as the owner would still have left the 2016 Braves needing to rebuild.

DrTruth
DrTruth

@Buschleaguer OK....After several posts, you've forced me to go ALL CAPS.


THE BRAVES WILL NEVER, EVER WIN ANYTHING IN THE POST-SEASON WITH FREDI GONZALEZ AS MANAGER!  Get it that time?


Winning your division and consistently finishing at or near the top of NL during the regular season means you have TALENTED PLAYERS on your team.  During Sept & Oct when the wheels consistently -- as in EVERY YEAR -- come off, it is a MANAGERIAL FAILURE.


Teams with talented players meet other teams with talented players in Sept & Oct, and they all want to go to the WS.  When talented managers meet incompetent managers in Sept & Oct, which one do you think goes home early and which one keeps moving on to the next playoff series?  It's not a trick question.


Fredi G has nothing but FAILURE on his resume for Sept & Oct....So he gets a contract extension from the same clowns who got rid of all the talented players and replaced them with rehabs & prospects.


To be perfectly clear, the Braves missed a FIVE YEAR window where they had talented players on the field.  Obviously you don't lead the NL in total wins over 5 seasons if the players are as incompetent as many of those put on the field by John Hart this season.  That's when you finish 3rd from last in all of MLB....Then the manager is irrelevant.


But Booby Cox (& Brooks Conrad) + Fredi managed to squander every single post season opportunity afforded them in those 5 seasons.  Fredi is completely incompetent as a major league manager.  He would have managed the '27 Yanks into the ditch come playoff time....He is simply that over-matched by the Bochys of playoff baseball who mostly allow him to over-manage & self-destruct (a la Booby Cox), but won't hesitate to drive a nail in the coffin when given the chance.


As for the Miami Marlins, I couldn't care less.  The one thing I'll say about them is at least they were smart enough to FIRE FREDI.....The Braves (Bobby Cox) will never do that until the entire front office is cleaned out & fumigated.

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

@DrTruth

OK I GET IT ! FIRE FREDO! That is the easy part, now who do you hire to replace him? I doubt Bruce Bochy will be available any time soon. Do you want a retread like Baker or Gardenhire or another inexperienced coach managing for the first time. Go back to my original post,Fredo will not be managing the Braves in 2017, and Hart will be retired by then as well. And in 2017 who knows who might be available to manage the Braves?