Dubious history can be made by these dubious Braves

Atlanta Braves' A.J. Pierzynski is congratulated in the dugout after his two-run homer to right field during the 9th inning of a baseball game against the San Francisco Giants,sending the game into extra innings, Monday, August 3, 2015, in Atlanta. (AP Photo/John Amis)

Atlanta Braves’ A.J. Pierzynski is congratulated in the dugout after his two-run homer to right field during the 9th inning of a baseball game against the San Francisco Giants,sending the game into extra innings, Monday, August 3, 2015, in Atlanta. (AP Photo/John Amis)

Today’s AJC featured a column by yours truly involving a bit of research (also by yours truly): If the Atlanta Braves indeed lose 100 games — they’d have to go 7-17 for that to happen — they will become the first 100-game loser in baseball history ever to have been at .500 so late in a season. I don’t know about you, but I find that fascinating.

(A tip of Fredi Gonzalez’s often-tipped cap to reader Jimmy Smith for sparking my interest in the matter.)

A caveat: I’m not sure they’re going to make it to 100. They have six games remaining against the Phillies, who are stinking again after a slight uptick. They have three with Miami. But they also play Toronto, Washington, St. Louis and the Mets, and all of those teams are above .500, and the Braves have won one game against a team holding a winning record since July 26. (It’s now Sept. 8.) And the one was a bloomin’ wonder.

Atlanta Braves' A.J. Pierzynski is congratulated in the dugout after his two-run homer to right field during the 9th inning of a baseball game against the San Francisco Giants,sending the game into extra innings, Monday, August 3, 2015, in Atlanta. (AP Photo/John Amis)

This was the last time the Braves beat a winning team. It came 36 days ago. (AP Photo/John Amis)

On Aug. 3, the Braves trailed San Francisco, which has won three of the past five World Series, 6-0 after 5 1/2 innings. They tied it on A.J. Pierzynski’s homer with two out in the ninth off Santiago Casilla. They won 9-8 in the 11th on Adonis Garcia’s homer against Ryan Vogelsong.

The Cardinals will surely be resting regulars when they arrive at Turner Field for the final three games of the regular season, but the Redbirds’ B team is probably better than the Braves’ first string. (Until Monday night, the Braves had lost 12 in a row and 19 of 20.) And we recall what happened when last a team with no reason to win came here for a season-closing series with dubious history on the line.

In 2011, the Phillies had clinched the National League East. The Braves were trying not to become the first team in baseball annals to miss the playoffs after leading by 8 1/2 games in September. The Phillies swept the series, the final game lasting 13 excruciating innings. The Braves missed the playoffs. Twenty minutes later, the Red Sox lost in Baltimore to become the first team in baseball history to miss the playoffs after leading by nine games in September.

Come to think of it, Fredi Gonzalez managed that Braves team, too.

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VeryDisgusted
VeryDisgusted

There are only 4 guys who are real keepers on this team


Freeman, Simmons Teheran and in spite of the lack of HRS I say Markakis who has done everything you could ask expect hit double digit HRS


I think NIck can get the power back next yr -- he did come off neck surgery


Maybin is having a career yr, Shelby pitches just well enough to lose and the rest of this is not of major league caliber


Swisher and Bourn were good but not anymore


In essence, we have a AAAA kind of team with overrated young prospects who are not good

buellerbuellerbueller
buellerbuellerbueller

Fire Freddie mid-season 2016, hire a "hotshot" coach, and sign a few all-stars (spend some money) for SunTrust Park grand opening. The plan has been laid out for at least two years now.    See if the young kids can play now- if not, purge them and go get new ones.    Braves stadium build is ahead of schedule.  Bye Atlanta!

coachof3sports
coachof3sports

I read today that the Braves are eliminated from the playoffs, they were eliminated as soon as John Hart took over and as long as he is with the Braves they will never be in the playoffs.

VeryDisgusted
VeryDisgusted

@coachof3sports 


I do not disagree -- though I will take it one step further


They will not be in the playoffs as long as Liberty Media and this TV deal is around


Guess we have to pay for the good yrs cause they are not coming back

EMMC
EMMC

@coachof3sports  Yes, Hart did this--not rebuilding but demolition, trading 3 pitchers (one a good lefty)) with nothing comparable to replace them.

Braves1945
Braves1945

Those who think that a 100 plus loss record this year is a stretch, go take a good look at the remaining schedule. The Cardinals are in the process of losing 4 straight and who says that the pennant contenders on the Braves schedule won't be in a dog fight from now until the regular season ends. Even the Phillies are a better team than we are. I think that 100 losses is more than likely, and my prediction, only 3 more wins for the hapless Braves.


Bad team or not, we are where we are in part because of Fredi. Whether he goes or not, we will be terrible next year. With him in the dugout though, it will only serve to make matters worse.

Harts_Junk
Harts_Junk

Ken Rosenthal's latest column involving also the Braves -- KR  who of course always is on the forefront with things even in Atlanta like probably being 1st to report that Fnuggla is gonna be paid by the Braves beyond 2016!, namely 250,000 through 2019 in 'Deferred Signing Bonus' money -- a column from late last night's after the Mets surreal comeback against the Nats, had a couple of very interesting bits:

1) "I've been hearing all season that players are frustrated with Gonzalez, that he essentially has lost the clubhouse. If that is the case, why should president of baseball operations John Hart wait to make a change? And why did he give Gonzalez an extension in the first place?"

[And while no one can dispute that Freewheeling Fredi G has been dealt an increasingly 'Poor Hand' by his top-draftpick-seeking GM John Hart....]

2) Fredi's 2015 Braves had nevertheless a minus -101 run differential during their 1-19 stretch entering this Monday!!! With the 1939 Athletics being the only other team since 1900 to be outscored by 100 or more runs over a 20-game span, according to research by Keith Costas of MLB Network.

Thus this 1-19 stretch puts Fredi G The Manager in hmmm ultra embarrassing historical company!... a company he cannot in anyway talk his way or his 'culpa' out of , even despite the aforementioned 'Poor Hand' he has been dealt! Period.

mdet
mdet

What ever happened to Sonny Clusters?

khd713
khd713

@mdet I think he retired pretty much around the same time his favorite manager, Bobby Cox, retired.

mdet
mdet

Anyone - Is there a consensus # one pick in the 2016 MLB draft? Thanks, Ted 

THEBITTERTRUTH
THEBITTERTRUTH

Hart is to the Braves what Obama is to the USA. They both have taken once proud institutions and reduced them to rubble - just because they could.

reckingball
reckingball

Playing as hard and as competitive as they can, they are fully capable of losing 100 or more games this season.

As far as them losing on purpose, that is not happening. They are losing, because they aren't very good.

7 more months until ST.

BradleyBreeze
BradleyBreeze

If Liberty Media wern't so cheap the Brave's could have kept Heyward and Kimbrel and Wood and eaten the contract of Melvin Upton and gotten some free agent pitching help and probably won 85+ games.Instead they gutted the team and now they draw less than 10,000 a game...................no surprises here!

FairValue
FairValue

atl's billionaire owners have ruined the team by slashing all costs and will get cobb county chumps to enrich them in a couple of years with hundreds of millions in taxpayer money!! Congrats!!

Blitz12003
Blitz12003

The team can pull together and get to 100! The ownership has put the right group together for the stretch drive I believe 100 is easily obtainable!  Go Braves! #Driveto100. 


AnsweredTHIS
AnsweredTHIS

They have quit on the season...and on Fredi

CynthiaTuckerrhymeswith
CynthiaTuckerrhymeswith

LOSE!  Go for the pick!

And remember, there are only 3 keepers on this squad.  And not one of them is a pitcher.

A far cry from the 'formula for 'success' in the '90s and early '00s.

They NEED a really good draft this year...a Bryce Harper-type but without the a-hole component as Harper is like Duke - no one likes them except parents and that's doubtful.

So LOSE LOSE LOSE, Braves...be record-breaking bad.

reckingball
reckingball

@CynthiaTuckerrhymeswith I heard that next year's draft is going to be just loaded down with "Bryce Harper-types",....so the Braves ought to be able to get one of them, hopefully they can get one that doesn't have the "a-hole component". haha

Suppose to be a whole bunch of Mike Trout-types in the draft also.

GeorgeJetsen
GeorgeJetsen

Giants have won 3 of the last 5 WS titles yet all our brain trust could produce was 1 WS title in 14 straight trips to the playoffs mostly with home field advantage and arguably the best pitching staff in baseball. If it were any other team besides the Indians in 95' we'd likely have zero WS titles. I wish the AJC reporters would grow a pair and call out Cox and Scheurputz for this gross underachievement.

khd713
khd713

@GeorgeJetsen Among the stupidest comments ever written. The only World Series the Braves should have won but didn't was against the Yankees in '96. They should have beaten the Indians and did. The Twins and Blue Jays series were crapshoots and were two of the greatest World Series ever played. Bobby Cox and John Schuerholz did not lose those series. And in '99 against the Yanks they were clearly overmatched and lost badly. So what's your dumb point again? John Schuerholz and Bobby Cox were not only the best thing that ever happened to the Atlanta Braves; they were the best thing that ever happened to Atlanta professional sports period. They took the Braves to 14 straight division titles and five World Series. Underachievement? What the hell are you talking about? Do you think you are ever going to experience anything close to that again? Get a clue!

Mutley
Mutley

Braves Make History, the headlines will read. 1st team to ever lose 100 games, another woeful accomplishment

for LOSERVILLE. Next year they may even break that mark. Only in the ATL. Only in the ATL.

alexander2
alexander2

Winning "streak" over, phillies win, 5-0....

Kwajbraves
Kwajbraves

@alexander2 

It wasn't a streak but a blip.  Don't worry the march for the #1 draft pick still on.

Charles Douglas Edwards
Charles Douglas Edwards

The Atlanta Braves were once one of the "CROWN JEWELS" teams of Major League Baseball (MLB) !!!


The Braves were one of the most successful baseball franchises winning 14 consecutive divisional championships.


The Atlanta Braves recently lost 12 straight  games and are one of the worst teams in baseball.


The Atlanta Braves are now one of the "CUBIC ZURCONIA" teams of Major League Baseball (MLB) !!!

Mr. Negative
Mr. Negative

Boobs are like the cow they lowered into the raptor cage in Jurassic Park. Every team takes a bite, dumps their washouts, mistakes, dregs into the waiting arms of senile old Uncle Billy. As long as theres plenty of cash savings for Mr Potter at Liberty-Scrooge Inc, its considered a good trade.

FairValue
FairValue

ATL--maybe the worst mlb team in 30 years---a total disaster.

DawgDadII
DawgDadII

30 years is far too generous. The 1962 Mets were rarely this bad.

gaboy983
gaboy983

All the talk below about  a new manager....what manager worth having would take this job?  4/5 more years of losing...no experience manager wants that and no rookie manager wants to start his career that way.

Calel
Calel

The Braves are simply counting on the old "If/when you win, they will come.." And it's hard to argue with that. It was hard as hell to get cheap Hawks tickets this past year.

Calel
Calel

Maybe we can get Donald Trump to buy this team and Make The Braves Great Again!

STHornet1990
STHornet1990

@Calel  "Because he said so...." Not because he could actually do it.

ChefTimDix
ChefTimDix

Not a fan of Fredi but if I were in his spot, I'd be rifling through players on an inning by inning basis until the MS Braves got a taste at the show. That said, even less of a fan of the Terry Pendleton for Manager idea.

58Supersports
58Supersports

@ChefTimDix  TP will never be the Braves manager... his time has past.  If we get another it will be a Hart's man not BC or JS...Hart deserves his own man.

58Supersports
58Supersports

@gaboy983 @58Supersports @ChefTimDix  If you will recall this is what JS and BC wanted him to do.."The Braves Way", I know all you saying but he is doing what they told him to do. Yes it sucks. Money and getting rid of the big contracts was # 1 with JS orders.

gaboy983
gaboy983

@58Supersports @ChefTimDix Hart deserves a plan ticket....this is Harts time with Texas part II.  He took a roster that could have been fixed over the course of a year maybe two and a farm system that could have been fixed over 4/5 years because the Braves had the second youngest team in baseball and created a mess that will take 5/6 years to fix.

jdcigar
jdcigar

The Braves wont touch Fredi until at least the end of next year, if then.  I am sure he still has the support of Bobby and JS.


Liberty Media has no real interest win winning a championship.  They just want to make money.  That is why this year has been as much about a salary dump as it has been about rebuilding.  They know that if they get back to being competitive, keep salary reasonable, and hurry up and move to the new park they conned out of Cobb County, they will accomplish the goal of being profitable.  They are never going to invest in a high priced manager like a Joe Madden.


Very depressing...

Ersatz
Ersatz

What's not dubious is that what few barves fans are left are about to see barves front office hogs and cobb political fat cats make history out of barrels of brewskis and platters full of tater skins and babyback ribs at the 27-story Applebee's in barvesworld, all paid in full cobb taxpayers.  Someone drunk asked the bartender what dubious even means, but he said that doobies weren't allowed in barvesworld, unless there's a little something extra rolled in those $600 cigars that the billionaires are lighting with $100 bills from cobb tax coffers while sliding suitcases stuffed with cobb taxpayer cash under the table during every barves shutout loss.

LegalBeagle3
LegalBeagle3

@Ersatz love your wit lol! You remind me of a blogger back in the day who went by "Voice of Raisins".  

58Supersports
58Supersports

Ken Rosenthal Fox Sports, said Fredi Gonzalez has lost the clubhouse and frustration among playes.... why keep him etc, etc,

ChuckinAlpharetta
ChuckinAlpharetta

The Braves actions are those of a team that knows it has generational fans, who've been passing their fanaticism to their kids for decades.


I hate to tell them, but they are nowhere near that point. They have done long-term damage to their fan-base with this ludicrous self-immolation.


I myself am a second-generation fan, and my interest in their games has nearly evaporated. How could it not when the roster has essentially turned over every month and a half? I tried keeping up, but it became too much work. I also learned that there's no point in becoming invested in any player on this roster, when they will become trade-bait at the first hint of trade value.

Biff_Pocoroba
Biff_Pocoroba

@ChuckinAlpharetta


Liberty Media doesn't care. If they lose money they'll simply write it off. At this point I'm all of stringing up John Malone on TV. 

Big Wally
Big Wally

Can't believe my ears.  They were actually saying on 680 the fan, that the AJC has been sugar coating the Braves problems, especially at the Mgr. level in order to stay in the good graces of Schuerholtz and the Braves brass.


Finally people are beginning to wake up in this city.  


As Buck Belue said, if Fredo Gonzalez would have been a Mgr. in any other city, he would have been fired a long time ago, especially with his won/loss record in the month of Sept.

Calel
Calel

Nothing new here. Had Bobby Cox been a manager in most other cities, he would have been fired after the 1999 World Series loss, if he made it that far. 1998 was horrible. That was the year we made Sterling Hitchock look like Cy Young, but 1997 may have been the worst of the two-year period. I won't discuss 1996.

GeorgeJetsen
GeorgeJetsen

@Calel- Well said. It pains me that the sport teams in the state of Ga all tend to hang onto mediocre coaches and players longer than teams from most other areas would. I think that partially explains the lack of major titles by our teams over the countless years they've been here.

Techmate
Techmate

@Big Wally  As long as Buck Belue said it, it must be true. What a homer!!!


Really, though - how many games does a professional baseball manager actually win for his team over the course of a year? 8 to 10 maybe? If you are in the middle of a pennant race, certainly those games matter. But if you re re-building, which is what the Braves decided to do this year, forget about it.

Big Wally
Big Wally

@Techmate @Big Wally The funny thing is, I've been accusing 680 the fan of sugar coating it because they carry the Braves games.  I guess things have gotten so bad, they have decided to actually report the truth for once.  You can tell things are bad when the media in this town are pointing fingers at each other.

LegalBeagle3
LegalBeagle3

@Techmate @Big Wally I'm not interested in 8-10 more wins.  I want to see some positive development.  Other than a couple innings for Wisler the other day, there is nothing to be encouraged about.  We need a manager who can improve and develop players.