Rebounding help for the Hawks in the draft? Don’t count on it

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Tristan Thompson blocks out the entire Hawks front line. (Gregory Shamus/Photo by Getty Images)

The Atlanta Hawks finished with the NBA’s second-best record. They hold the 15th pick — the first after the lottery — in Round 1. A team that good doesn’t often draft that high. That’s a nice thing.

Less clear is what the Hawks should do with Pick No. 15. On Tuesday, GM-in-waiting Wes Wilcox held a conference call with a few members of the Atlanta media, and he said flat-out: “It’s going to be hard for any young player to play on our team next year.”

We saw as much last year. The Hawks had the 15th pick in that draft, too. (That was on numerical merit. They were coming off a 38-44 season.) They took Adreian Payne of Michigan State, a big man who could shoot. They traded him to Minnesota in February for a lottery-protected Round 1 pick. Payne had played 19 minutes for the Hawks.

Said Wilcox: “We were so deep on our front line there wasn’t going to be much opportunity for him to play.”

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So deep? In the playoffs, both Mike Scott and Pero Antic had games where they weren’t deployed. Elton Brand was used only to foul somebody intentionally. The “deep” front line had been reduced to the three starters — Horford, Millsap and Carroll, all of whom had some manner of late-season injury — and Mike Muscala, who spent much of the season shuttling between Philips Arena and the Hawks’ D-league team in Fort Wayne.

Come the Eastern Conference finals, the Hawks were outrebounded 208-157 in four games. Cleveland more than doubled them in offensive rebounds (55 to 27). This was shocking to see but no real shock: Over the regular season, the Hawks were 27th in a 30-team league in rebound differential.

“It’s certainly an area we’re going to try to improve,” Wilcox said. Then this: “I don’t know that the improvement is going to come from something we don’t have on this roster.” (This would apply only if Paul Millsap and DeMarre Carroll are re-signed, we can assume.)

That could mean more Muscala or more Austin Daye, a 27-year-old who’s on his fifth organization but whom the Hawks liked enough to sign to a two-year contract in April. (Daye, who didn’t play a postseason minute, is 6-foot-11 but skinny.) What it seems to mean is that anyone expecting the Hawks to get well rebounding-wise in Thursday’s draft should curb that enthusiasm.

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devounknown1000
devounknown1000

STARTER


TEAGUE, GREEN, CARROLL, HORFORD, MONROE


BENCH


SCHRODER, KORVER, THADO, MOOSE, PORTER


JENKINS, BAZEMORE, MACK,


TRADE MIKE SCOTT SAVE 3MILL CAP SPACE


GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

devounknown1000
devounknown1000

3PLAYERS FOR DRAFT FOR HAWKS.


BOBBY PORTIS 6'11


FRANK KAMINSKY 7'0


SAM DEKKER 6'9


AND SIGN FREE AGENT GREG MONROE


GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

devounknown1000
devounknown1000

People keep saying This big man game is no longer exist wow.


The Spurs won championship because they had three Superstar with a starting lineup of two 7footer, SMH


HAWKS MUST FIND A LEGIT CENTER THIS YEAR IF NOT DON'T EXSPECT FOR HORFORD TO RETURN TO HAWKS NEXT SEASON.


8YEARS IS ENOUGH FOR HORFORD PLAYING CENTER.


GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hardworkinman
hardworkinman

Is it just me or does anyone else see the differential in rebounding as simply a product of the offense the Hawks run? The Hawks play a perimeter game, even with their bigs. With that type of offense, it pushes rebounders out of position. Seems to me the answer lies more with better shooters if this is the path they intend to walk.


A lot of folks want a true 5, but I don't see a guy like that working in this offense. Most of Horford's points come 15-20 feet from the basket. If they draft a power forward, which seems to be the direction they are heading, he has to be someone that can shoot from the perimeter or he won't fit in. That's probably why Payne was traded. He was a banger, but didn't shoot the 3 well enough to help the team.

devounknown1000
devounknown1000

@hardworkinman  You can't be serious.


EVERY BODY CAN'T SHOOT JUMPERS.


This small ball new age movement will not work unless you have a Superstar.


GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hardworkinman
hardworkinman

@devounknown1000 @hardworkinman I agree totally. Everyone can't shoot jumpers, but that's what the Hawks try to do. Bud's system has everyone, including the bigs, shooting jumpers and that's why they get killed on the boards. They can't get back into position to box out.

Look at Horford. Most of his points are at the top of the key. Millsap shoots threes. Antic is nothing more than a 7 footer who shoots threes (and not very well). When you move all your bigs outside, they better be able to shoot. That was the downfall in the playoffs. Hawks lived and died with the three and when they couldn't hit them, they got beat. In fact, they struggled in every series because they couldn't shoot and got outrebounded. My point is that bringing in a true 5 is not going to help this team that much if they continue to live by the three. Maybe Bud goes more to a post game if he gets a true center.

tyger
tyger

Hawks-Pacers-Monta Ellis...oh my!


Hawks in cahoots w Pacers...

Kaminsky/Teague for Hibbert/Hill????

Pacers not moving for nothing?


Monta Ellis...just say yes...

Anybody can run pick + puke...

Not everyone can run w big boys...


Where's 7'4 Edy Tavares????


twentysixpointtwo
twentysixpointtwo

Just another GM blowing pre draft smoke.  No one knows more than Hawks management that Cleveland killed them on the boards and Milsap/Carroll could be tough to resign.  At # 15 you should get a solid contributor - - my take on Payne is that he did not impress once they got him in the house.  Busts happen.

twentysixpointtwo
twentysixpointtwo

That is good and I did not know.  I haven't heard anything of Payne since he left Atl.  But facts are facts.  Clearly the Hawks weren't enamored with him for whatever reason.

Look anyone who watched the games knows they where "KILLED" on the glass and will be again if they trot out the same team.


The only hope is to trade down for Turner, Stein or Kaminsky.


Personally I like Kaminsky for the 5 spot moving Harford over to 4 then resigning Carroll.


I love Millsap but he was schooled by Thompson and the King.


You have to build your team to beat Cleveland.


Now you are going to take your lumps with Kaminsky but come playoffs the frontline will not be the problem if they lose.


What this team needs is a number 5 even if they pickup one in free agency but they can't resign both Millsap and Carroll.

With Harford wanting his money next year. Go ahead and sign him now.

CowbellHell
CowbellHell

See my post below I said the same thing.  BUT we're not trading down to get Kaminsky, he's projecting at 11-13 but I say we move up...nobody uses their 2nd round picks anyway.

BPJ
BPJ

The Hawks should keep the best 8 or 9 players they have, and add free agent DeAndre Jordan. I know that'll be an expensive roster. And yes, it means some nights Millsap or Horford won't start - and that's the point. The great teams that win titles can bring out first-rate players as part of their second wave. Some nights the Hawks' front court might start the current three, other nights Carroll-Jordan-Horford for example. Depending on matchups (see the switch the Warriors made to defeat Cleveland). Do you want to win a championship? Then it will cost more than current roster.

CowbellHell
CowbellHell

@BPJ Deandre Jordan...are you freakin kidding me dude?  Did you even watch the Hawks this year?!  That is the WORST possible fit for our Spurs east system.  The guy can't shoot or pass and would be out on the perimeter often in our spread offense.  Great defender and great inside scorer I'll give you but thats got to be the dumbest post I've seen in a LONG time.

WW5
WW5

hard for the hawks to get offensive rebounds when all 5 guys are 15ft from the rim

CowbellHell
CowbellHell

Anybody who thinks you have a clue who they draft should 'curb their enthusiasm'.  I say they trade up to take Kommisnki (sp?) and let Milsap go so Al can move to power forward.  Sign Demare and let Pero go with decent bigs on the bench in Scott and Muscala.

PGH
PGH

Well that's depressing...

SomewherenSGa
SomewherenSGa

I am sure Coach Bud and Ferry has had sever conversations about the up coming draft. and will most likely have more until he sings with another club

Jerry916
Jerry916

It should be an interesting off season.

Big Wally
Big Wally

I was the first one screaming to get more bigs in there, but Golden State whipped the Cavs, with a Point Guard, two Shooting Guards, and two Small Forwards in their starting line up.  Bogut barely played the last 3 games and not at all in the clincher.  Something to be said to add shooters, not tall stiffs who can only rebound I guess.

km42
km42

Rebounding isn't the priority, or Payne would have gotten more of a chance....Antic and Brand aren't helping enough.  Time for a new approach.

David Lee gives us a rebounder more than a draft pick...and brings energy!

The roster has proven it can win;  exceed the cap, get Lee and the 30 pick from the champs and use him to make your bench deeper.

I'm not for sticking under the cap;  it hasn't gotten us far enough and a new regime should show they're serious about putting the best players on this roster.  Lee also protects us from losing Sap.


I'm not confident the Hawks will find what they need in the draft.  LeBron isn't interested in playing with rookies.

We've seen enough from Scott, Muscala also.


Time to get serious about winning.

Columbus68
Columbus68

@AtlantaSportsVictory @km42 Hawks got rid of Joe Johnson and Josh Smith and Marvin....I think they can afford most anybody. Look for coming change. This rebuild is still in its infancy.  The big man is STILL not in the house....but WILL be this year or next....maybe a superstar too.  

The-Truth
The-Truth

With this team overemphasizing picking-and-popping with their bigs along with centers hanging out at the 3-point line, more so than the avg team, it's easy to figure the rebounding deficit. The problem is less about the Hawks roster talent and more about their scheme. But a 60-win season speaks volume about their results. But a ECF Cavs sweep making 6'9" Thompson look HOF-like demands at least some mending.