How the ‘Saban Rule’ has itself been slowed

“That Saban’s got some nerve, doesn’t he?” (Bob Andres/AJC)

"That Saban's got some nerve, doesn't he?" (Bob Andres/AJC)

“That Saban’s got some nerve, doesn’t he?” (Bob Andres/AJC)

To answer the question posed not so long ago in this space: It would appear Alabama coach Nick Saban does not — repeat, does not — run college football. The backlash against Saban’s attempt — to be fair, he was joined by Arkansas coach Bret Bielema — to lobby the rules committee into slowing down the hurry-ups has hit a wall. King Crimson has been rendered a bit less regal.

To recap:

On Tuesday, rules committee chairman Troy Calhoun, who coaches at Air Force, told reporters in a conference call that the slow-things-down proposal endorsed by his committee might well have been passed in, er, too much of a hurry. (This account is from David Ching of ESPN.) Said Calhoun, addressing the Saban/Bielema contention that players’ safety is being compromised: “(We should) try to take the next 10 days or so and kind of what you gather from experts and (if) they say, ‘No, at this time it’s only speculative,’ then the rule should not get pushed up, should not be a rule because now it’s not a safety concern.”

On Thursday, South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier told George Schroeder of USA Today: “So, you want to talk about the ‘Saban Rule’? That’s what I call it. Looks like it’s dead now, hopefully.”

On Friday, California athletic director Sandy Barbour took to Twitter to chastise Bielema, who had referenced Cal defensive lineman Ted Agu in expressing support for the slowdown rule. Agu died Feb. 7 after a morning training run with teammates. (The training had been medically overseen.)

Bielema then issued a statement conceding that his comments were “unintentionally hurtful.”

The proposal passed by Calhoun’s committee will be submitted to the Playing Rules Oversight panel on March 6 for approval. Given Calhoun’s apparent reversal, and absent a last-minute flurry of data-based research into the effects of the hurry-ups on player safety, it’s unlikely the hurryin’ will be halted for the 2014 season. But March 6 is still a ways away, and King Crimson might yet think of something.

From myajc.com, our premium site: Tempo tempest – Saban against the hurry-up hordes.

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gbal
gbal

If 11 offensive players are conditioned enough to play 5-6 plays in a row, so should be the defensive unit.


Its just that Nick cant always have the 11on the field that he wants to have at a given time.

NCDawg
NCDawg

@gbal he is also methodical.  A slower paced game allows him to go through all of his reads and make a call.  When you aren't sure when the ball will be snapped you have to make your best guess and go with it.  That flies in the face of his preferred style and it flusters him.  Want evidence look at his face during the Auburn and Oklahoma losses and the Texas A&M near loss.  He made uncharacteristic mistakes in all those games.  And it's pretty obvious why if you look at his face.  He is out of his comfort zone.

TideDawg
TideDawg

@gbal I agree. I would think that the offense has to take a breather as well as the defense. It's going to require a new mentality for future defensive players. Offensive teams like to run certain offenses against certain defensive alignments. Once DCs come up with a solution, and they will, and it's effective, it will be interesting to see how the offenses handle the pressure. I think the biggest key to stopping the "Hurry up" is to make offenses "hurry up" their execution of plays. An entire new mindset will be required by both sides of the ball in the future.


All football fans getting miffed at what Saban says or does.....let it rest. It ain't that important!! It's the football team you have to worry about and the issue didn't hurt Ala. recruiting.


The "Hurry up" will come and go and something new will be thought up by OCs.

djbillyd
djbillyd

@TideDawg @gbal That's exactly what I think, as well. Saban is mart enough, and Kirby Smart, is smart enough, to align their philosophy with he HUNH offense. And, when they do, it'll be deja vu all over again. They ill stop it in it' tracks. And Stanford has proven that it can be. ALABAMA has proven that it can be. Sustaining the pressure with the players on the field is what has to be adjusted. I've always thought that assignment integrity is what will stop it. That will take an adjustment in the way everyone prepares for the game. It will happen...

MoistDawg
MoistDawg

some of you loosers make me want to puke.  nick saban is a joke. he has fooled the world into thinking he is a great coach and i dont know why anyone thinks he is so great.  he has won 2 confrence titles in the last 10 years and got his a$$ kicked the last 2 games in a row and cant beat anyone who runs a hurry up offense thats why he trys to change the rules  same goes for bert bielma.

AlternativeDawg
AlternativeDawg

When has Saban won without top talent. He lost to uab an la Monroe. Guy has I have too talent and media bias to make ire he is in the title game. He is a bellicheck deciple whose mantra is whatever it takes

NCDawg
NCDawg

Poor old WetWussy.  Your HC pushed his luck and now he has to face the music.  Your world is crumbling.  Do you lack the basic maturity to just shut up and take it?  Is it such a personal insult that you just have to continue posting heaping mounds of BS to try to cover it up?  Jeez... that's is just sad.  Of course it wouldn't be so bad if you and the other Bammers would just win with some style and shut up about how great Bama is and how worthless and weak everyone else is.  It wouldn't be so bad if you'd just stop worrying about the handful of faux Bulldog fans that post crazy BS to make real Dawg fans look like a bunch of idiots.  Who cares if we think we might be able to challenge the mighty Crimson Tide?  Either we do or we don't.  The world remain virtually unaffected either way.


Just let it go.  You are trying to convince everyone that the sky is green.

TheOldGuy
TheOldGuy

AS Erk Russell once told me, "There's no reason any defense should be on the field for more than three plays>"

TheOldGuy
TheOldGuy

@KeepOnSmilingWetWillie One at UGA and several at Georgia Southern.


And Colorado won the college football  national championship in 1990. UPI doesn't even exist anymore,

-sting-
-sting-

nice comeback by cal ad. put coach bulimic down for the count. best body slam i have seen since live atlanta wrestling. pure verbal vomit.

-sting-
-sting-

maybe saban and the red elephants will leave college football and start their own college football association. so happy to know they always have the college student athletes interest at the top of their agenda. guffaw.

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

win something other than the East and get back with us and beat Vandy and perhaps folks might even listen.Truth is NOT another school in the SEC outside of Vandyt would even condiser hiring Mark Richt.

NCDawg
NCDawg

@KeepOnSmilingWetWillie shut up about how many damned championships Bama has won and stop acting like it makes you and other Bama fans better people and more knowledgable fans and maybe we won't hammer you so hard when your coach tries to legislate his way out of having to adapt to the current trends.


That's the issue, sport.  You aren't better people or more knowledgeable fans.  It is pathetic that your lives are so unbalanced that this is what college football means to you.

AlternativeDawg
AlternativeDawg

Good post. It's like lance Armstrong bragging to other bikers about his ability or bonds bragging about his homers or oj bragging about his innocence.

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@NCDawg @KeepOnSmilingWetWillie


Go a little easier on the Bammyites. They carry many heavy loads since their biggest claims to fame is having Sabie(aka the 8th dwarf) as HC of the RED Packy  Derms, singlewides and last but not least the T O O T H   B R U S H  was invented in Tusker Loserville. Had the Tooth brush been invented in a state other than Bammy it would be called a T E E T H   B R U S H !!!!!!!!!!!!

CedricM
CedricM

Nick and the alabama camp are not happy with this--they want the rule changed now!  they do not want to play auburn's hurry up offense again next season.

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

Bama's had more than a 100 yards more offense than the gus bus in 2013. If we kick FG's FAU isn't even in the conversation. The rule is about subbing or not being able to sub and not FAU. If you ever played the game then you understand when you're tired you're more likely to get hurt then again you never played.

Snagglepuss
Snagglepuss

@KeepOnSmilingWetWillie


"I F  W E   K I C K   FGs".  If a frog had wings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anything with 4 legs and can't walk S HO U L D   bump his azz!!!!!!!!!!

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

HC's with a NC

Nick Saban 4

HC with no NC

Mike Leach but he has a closet for you
Mike Gundy but he is 40
Kliff Kingsbury...LOL
Gus Malzahn...we're close baby
Chip Kelly...quack quack
Mark Richt...he does have a red Ford truck...
Tommy Tubberville....has a pinebox and a mudhole stomped in his azz on the way out of FAU
Larry Fedora...well he did beat Troy didn't he?

The folks that talk the most have done the least

Dewnsav
Dewnsav

@KeepOnSmilingWetWillie  soooo, just you Bama folks should be allowed to "talk"...no one can debate anything or the old, wore out "what have you won, we've won NC's" card comes out...and if you are going to reference faux dog fans or moronic dog fans posting BS, don't bother, you are smarter than that willy...heading out to hear the good Word...go dogs

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

have a great day!  I am telling Richt will vote just like Nick but he will never admit in public! The return from all coaches on the initial subject was even as stated by Rogers Redding (who is no friend of Bama). The folks here thing this is one man(Nick) making a change, Saban was asked to come before the committee!!!!!!!  Folks here  just hate the guy with a passion due to his success and lack of theirs. You can spin as you well.

thebucket
thebucket

@KeepOnSmilingWetWillie Just because people argue against the rule change on the merits doesn't mean we all hate Nick Saban or are envious of his success. I thought you were one of the Bama fans that had more class than some of the others who constantly call CMR a hypocrite and berate other programs and fans. There are folks who claim to represent all the schools on here who make a fool of themselves, but some of us are serious fans who just want to have a civil conversation on a message board.

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

then you read the comments toward Nick Saban and tell me about CLASS!!!! Maybe one of all these even come close to CLASS.Just hate and jealous fans. UGA would benefit from the 10 second rule but you will never admit because you would be siding with mean ole Nick Saban and that is a very bad thing.They need to change the play clock to 25 and that will fix it. The HUNH wants the bluff so you can't sub yet they want the full 40 to call the play as well and then run some quick snaps. With the 25 deal they will NOT be able to bluff and work their play calling either.

thebucket
thebucket

@KeepOnSmilingWetWillie I did not and will not defend the classless comments. Obviously ANY defensive team and defensive coach would want to be able to sub in the first 10 seconds, especially coaches who have superior depth on defense and/or are good at making adjustments. I just personally think the defense should not be able to dictate the speed at which the offense chooses to play. It's not like the HUNH teams are winning all the championships, so obviously it is possible to stop that offense either through out-scoring them or getting stops at critical moments.

NCDawg
NCDawg

@KeepOnSmilingWetWillie you just don't get it do you?!  The rule is stupid.  Defending it in any manner is stupid.  You and other Bammers do it because you worship football and treat Saban as if he were a god.  You'd rather have your legs cut off than lose a football game.  You gloat and act as if  you  are somehow better people and know more about football than the rest of us.  It's that pathetic mindset that everyone hates.  It's you the gloating fans that we detest.  Coach Saban is the face of that detestable fan base so he gets the public backlash.

Coach Saban whined about the HUNH offenses for 2 years and after  not getting a shot at even an SEC championship decided it was time to flex some muscle and straighten things out.  He does not want to have to retool his model for success so he tried to get legislation passed that would help him not have to do it.


You Bammers gloat like 8 year old boys until someone says anything about Coach Saban and then you start whining like 8 year old girls about that.  Your only defense is "he has won more championships".  So f-ing what?  It doesn't change the fact that he tried to pull one over on college football to protect his way of doing things.  It doesn't change the fact thathe doesn't want to adapt like everyone else.  Nooooo... he wants to protect his style of play and rob others of their opportunity to beat him and he uses an underhanded method to do it.

Own it fool.  Coach Saban tried to pull a fast one and got his arse handed to him.

ShootinTheHooch
ShootinTheHooch

Saban and his bunch were foolish to use the safety angle with no data to back them up. They would have been better off just sticking to the facts that the HUNH gives the offense an unfair competitive advantage.

Of the games I watch, most teams are like UGA, they rush to the line and get the linemen set to keep the defense from substituting then take their sweet time while the QB looks to the sideline for a play then barks out the play while the line establishes the blocking assignments.

Then you have Auburn that runs sweeps to their side of the field and after the play, players that were out-of-bounds stay on the sideline while replacements come in allowing them to run a play with different personnel while the defense is not allowed to sub.

NCDawg
NCDawg

@LADawg It a smart use of resources.  The Saban rule was like a defending general asking the attacking general to give a few moments to prepare a defense.  It isn't unfair.  It's the best utilization of the available resources.  You don't whine when you are outflanked.  You adjust.

ShootinTheHooch
ShootinTheHooch

@NCDawg @LADawg I basicly agree but it would be nice to see the D thrown a bone. As it is, if they tackle too hard they get 15 yards and the possibility of ejection. If they touch a qb (that's not named Murray) with more than a feathery light touch, that's 15, too.

These rules are also in the name of safety but it accounts for many of the points that are being scored by so called "high powered offenses". I don't have a problem with the HUNH but let the D that's on the field play defense.

If a receiver crossing the middle doesn't want to get clocked, he better have his head on a swivel or get down in a hurry. If a qb doesn't want to get slammed then get rid of the ball quicker.

NCDawg
NCDawg

@LADawg @NCDawgit won't happen until you get the adrenaline jockeys that love tons of offense out of the driver's seat as far as fan opinion goes.  In general the average fan would rather see and exciting 42-38 game far more than a 14-10 slugfest.  Unless that changes (in both the NFL and the college game) the offense will always have the upper hand.

DrPhill
DrPhill

Nick needs to set his watch forward one second,  recruit someone who can kick a field goal, and leave the rule changes to the infinite wisdom of the NCAA. (Clue to Nick--money runs the NCAA.  Not player safety.)

NCDawg
NCDawg

As I said, it was dead in the water.  So expect the Bammers to flood these blogs with anything and everything they can come up with to separate Coach Saban from this ill advised proposal.  But no one can detach his name from that pile of crap that was dumped on us..  Sorry Bammers, Coach Saban has to live with his name permanently attached to the failure.  If he hadn't complained so bitterly in public about the HUNH, he might be able to weedle out of it.


Bammers own it.  Your coach laid an egg.  LMAO!

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

If Saban thinks the hurry up offense is hard to stop, he'd really have a fit against our triple option.

AlternativeDawg
AlternativeDawg

Apparently the la Monroe HC is part of the committee regarding rule proposals. In other non related news, bama will pay la Monroe 1.4 million to try and extend their win streak over he Tahd. Nothing to see here people.

PS: Saban has a mangina! Saban has a mangina!

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

There will be rule change either this year or next to assist the defense. The PUROSE of the HUNH is to race to the LOS and prevent the defense from subbing players! They will give the defense 10 seconds to sub one way or the other! The coaches that would love the rule to be update don't have the cajones to come out and support the rule. Hell read what Ellis Johnson said about the HUNH when was the SC at USCe. Steve is a hypocite on this one! Ellis stated the HUNH is ruining college footbal !!!! It's documented.

stop your envy of Nick and look at the facts. They should just change from a 40 second play clock to 25 and that will fix it. The HUNH teams don't intend to run a play every 15 seconds they want to prevent the defense from subbing and want to use up all the time they need as well!

thebucket
thebucket

@KeepOnSmilingWetWillie What would you expect Ellis Johnson to say? He is a defensive coach for crying out loud. That's the crux of this entire argument: Should the defense be allowed to dictate the pace at which the game is played? The defensive coaches want to sub for depth, for down and distance, etc. and the offensive coaches want to keep the defense from subbing and/or calling their plays. So it shouldn't surprise anyone that the offensive coaches hate the proposed change and the defensive coaches love it. Spurrier made a great point when he said if you play good defense against a hurry-up you don't have to worry about them getting a lot of plays on offense. Clemson averaged around 80 plays a game on offense last year, but against SCU they only had like 57 plays on offense. Richt also made a good point when he said if you can train offensive players to play 5 or 6 plays in a row, why can't defensive players be trained to play multiple plays in a row?

NCDawg
NCDawg

@KeepOnSmilingWetWillie LMAO!  How pathetic WetWussy!  You can sub when the offense subs.  If you can't handle 5 or 6 plays in a row then maybe you need to adjust.  


It was an ill conceived attempt to legislate a way to NOT have to rework his defensive scheme.  Own it.  Everybody but the delusional Bama faithful knows that was the case.  There were radio hosts vowing to oppose it with every scrap of influence they could muster because they saw it for what it was.


What a pathetic attempt to gloss over the truth.  Again.  Own it.

NCDawg
NCDawg

@thebucket @KeepOnSmilingWetWillie I swear WetWussy is having a full blown meltdown.  There isn't a DC in football that likes the HUNH offense.  Some are more vocal than others but I doubt you'll find any DC will say he likes it.  Some might bluff and say it doesn't effect them but that is to avoid sounding like they are whining.  At least they have sense enough to not whine about it.  They just work on adjusting.  Coach Saban doesn't want to have to adjust.  It's just that simple.

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

Your penis envy speaks for you sport! You like so many of the coaches on the list including your hypocrite Richt are just jealous of the success Nick Saban's had in his career. Nothin more but that is what losers do in this country and you are a loser.

ShootinTheHooch
ShootinTheHooch

If there is interest concerning player safety on defense, then the committee should study chop blocks.  Player's knees should be much more of a concern than players getting winded.

As for Saban's Everyone's-an-Idiot-but-Me attitude, it is typical of the guy. At least he is committed to doing everything possible to maintain the excellence of his program by lobbying for a rules change that he perceives will benefit his team. This is unlike UGA's coach who promotes internal rules that put his program at a competitive disadvantage.  

ShootinTheHooch
ShootinTheHooch

My bad. I meant cut blocking which is also more dangerous to the defense than the hurry-up.

Dewnsav
Dewnsav

who cares ?? ...quit trying to make Saban more than he is, a great college coach...not any kind of "King"...he is a "God" to some people though...go dogs

HootyGoot
HootyGoot

Saban is a smart coach and he'll hire the right people to keep Bama on top or he'll have to go!

Nate-the-Great
Nate-the-Great

You are high if you think Saban would be fired. No one stays on top for ever and he brought you 3 of 4. No one would want to step into that kind of job environment at least no coach worth a crap.

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  1. […] On Tuesday, rules committee chairman Troy Calhoun, who coaches at Air Force, told reporters in a conference call that the slow-things-down proposal endorsed by his committee might well have been passed in, er, too much of a hurry. (This account is from David Ching of ESPN.) Said Calhoun, addressing the Saban/Bielema contention that players’ safety is being compromised: “(We should) try to take the next 10 days or so and kind of what you gather from experts and (if) they say, ‘No, at this time it’s only speculative,’ then the rule should not get pushed up, should not be a rule because now it’s not a safety concern.” On Thursday, South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier told George Schroeder of USA Today: “So, you want to talk about the ‘Saban Rule’? That’s what I call it. Looks like it’s dead now, hopefully.” On Friday, California athletic director Sandy Barbour took to Twitter to chastise Bielema, who had referenced Cal defensive lineman Ted Agu in expressing support for the slowdown rule. Agu died Feb. 7 after a morning training run with teammates. (The training had been medically overseen.) [More] […]